Should D3V be unbanned?

Just to start out, I guess you assume anyone that disagrees with D3v staying banned as a 'fanboy'? If so I'd be included in that ban, at least somewhat. I don't personally think that D3v has the capability to screw people over in real life. If that is the fact, then he is most likely either using some sort of professional resource available to him through work (which would leave him punishable legally probably), or actually paying real money to get reports on people. I severely doubt all of those things. They're imporbable.

I think it is nothing short of idiotic to make people be willing to be banned if D3v gets banned. We have something in the area of a dozen or a dozen and a half active posters here. There's always been this big push to bring in new members, but you'd like to ban a (probably) contributing member in order to prove you were right? We've lost MJ and Grav, most likely, for good if not a good while. They're both very busy people who have a lot going on for them.

more or less fanboy was directed at the idiots that atk me and prefer to believe i dont matter... some will comment on this with a 'you dont' that will stand them out for clarity... like KA said, if someone really truely believes he would have changed then putting your name on the line is like saying i promise.

If no one is willing to vouch for him then the answer should be clear. Vouching for someone who has turned a new leaf has no repercussions.

I think it is nothing short of idiotic to make people be willing to be banned if D3v gets banned. We have something in the area of a dozen or a dozen and a half active posters here. There's always been this big push to bring in new members, but you'd like to ban a (probably) contributing member in order to prove you were right? We've lost MJ and Grav, most likely, for good if not a good while. They're both very busy people who have a lot going on for them.

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

Kazilla, you've openly stated before you don't research accusations, you simply go by what other people have said. This is made evident by your "The whole Middle East = the Taliban" theory. Your opinion is absolutely useless in this matter. You're one more post away from being the first member I've ever had to block on this site. Reading your posts and wading through the shit-infested assumptions and horrible communication skills causes me so much mental anguish, I'm afraid my brain is going to shit itself and I'd rather like to avoid that.

...k? vouch for him

I think it is nothing short of idiotic to make people be willing to be banned if D3v gets banned.

Nobody is making anyone do anything. I was simply throwing the idea out on the table. I don't think it's unreasonable to hold someone to their word. If someone is saying "D3v has changed, he won't be bad anymore, blah blah," they should back that up, and I see no better way to do that than to agree to be banned along with D3v should he end up getting himself banned again.

The problem is that nobody actually believes D3v has changed, or at least they aren't confident enough in him to risk getting banned themselves.

I think there's no doubt about the fact that he's changed. But that doesn't change the fact that both you and at least a couple others do not like him. With most of you having the power to ban him on practically a whim, the likelihood of him getting banned (at least temporarily) again is pretty high. It doesn't mean there is no confidence in his ability to act mature, but in the ability of a few admins to not pull the trigger when their finger's oh-so-ready to do so.

Again, like I said, your idea is not conducive to Zelaron's health. You want to ban people who are having mature, intellectual discourse over the subject if you, or another admin, decides that even a minor infraction is worth punishing him over (which happened all the time.) If D3v acts like an ass again you can ban him again, but taking another member who is not doing the deed just because they have some faith in the man is very silly.

I think there's no doubt about the fact that he's changed. But that doesn't change the fact that both you and at least a couple others do not like him. With most of you having the power to ban him on practically a whim, the likelihood of him getting banned (at least temporarily) again is pretty high. It doesn't mean there is no confidence in his ability to act mature, but in the ability of a few admins to not pull the trigger when their finger's oh-so-ready to do so.

Well the way things were handled for the last little while D3v was here was that Chruser made the call what would happen to D3v if he stepped out of line. I was specifically told not to take action against him, but rather forward
any concerns to Chruser and let him deal with it.

If you're claiming Chruser has some bias against D3v, well, I'd say you're wrong. Even if you're not, it's Chruser's forum and I don't think anyone is going to stop him from banning whoever he wants.

Again, like I said, your idea is not conducive to Zelaron's health. You want to ban people who are having mature, intellectual discourse over the subject if you, or another admin, decides that even a minor infraction is worth punishing him over (which happened all the time.) If D3v acts like an ass again you can ban him again, but taking another member who is not doing the deed just because they have some faith in the man is very silly.

Actually it's quite the contrary. My idea is a valid argument against unbanning D3v, because if nobody has the faith in D3v to risk getting banned right along with him, it shows that nobody really thinks D3v has changed.

I don't expect that my idea will ever be put to use, because this will never get to that point. D3v will most likely not be unbanned, and my idea is basically only serving as a safety net.

Therefore, since my idea is helping prevent D3v's return, it is, by definition, conducive to Zelaron's health.

Wetwired should post his thoughts and vote.

Hey, how about I vouch for him? You can ban me along with him if he doesn't shapen up when he comes back. I'm pretty confident that he would be fine if unbanned.

Why you? Why not just have SirPullido vouch for him. If D3v gets banned again, we'll ban SirPullido too.

let just make an account that it will get banned if d3v will and it availible to everyone

Why you? Why not just have SirPullido vouch for him. If D3v gets banned again, we'll ban SirPullido too.

There you have it. You've got somebody to vouch for him. Somebody is actually going along with your idiotic way to resolve this... You specifically named ME to vouch for him and now that somebody else besides me wants to vouch, suddenly he can't do it?

Wow.

How about this: If you don't let Titus vouch for him, I will. If D3V gets banned again and I get banned too, oh well. This is just a forum.. there are plenty of other good forums on the web, I'll just find another one should I be banned from here. There you have it.. the magical words you've been looking for KA, I'll vouch for D3V.

It's not like Chruser said your idea has any validity anyway.

Why you? Why not just have SirPullido vouch for him. If D3v gets banned again, we'll ban SirPullido too.

Rofl oh Sir.Pullido, yeah titus you don't come here enough.

Your idea is about the worst way of going about this, actually.