Should D3V be unbanned?
 

Per Chruser and D3V's requests, I'm making a poll for everyone to vote on.

D3V has promised he will change. Zelaron is an important part of his day and he really misses this place. I'm not trying to make this a sob story, because yes he was an asshole at times, but who wasn't? Honestly, haven't you all had harsh feelings towards somebody on here? IMO, that's something that makes Zelaron unique. We're free to say pretty much anything we want without repurcussions from the Staff.

Remember this, when D3V first registered he was a KKK-promoting, racist asshole piece of shit. He now fully supports a black man running for president and he even admits he was an idiot back then. People can change their opinions and turn into something better.

I'm not crusading to get him back, either. I have been asked by Chruser to make a poll. So, please vote.

Thank you.

i vote for him back

Then vote, please.

http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39614 (him being an ass)

http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40618 (him being an ass)

http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43403 (him promising to straighten up)

I say bring him back only if his member title is Paris Hilton

Kazilla's reasoning for the "No"

Kazilla: i dont like someone bring able to reverse a ban - because i was banned once from somewhere and it never got reversed
[15:47] Kazilla: even thought i really liked the forums i was banned from i controbuted guides and walkthroughs
[15:47] Kazilla: but nope nada - so thats my feelings on bannings

Personal grudge much?

personal grudge? or personal experience? lol

2006? Yeah, good evidence.

Thanatos has the right of it in his OP - when he was first around, D3V was a racist bigot who took every chance he could get to insult others. When he returned at the end of 2007, he'd changed dramatically. in fact I can't remember a time when he's been like his old self. He cntributed an insance amount of activity, and got the Automotive forum going (which, in terms of small, specialised hobby forums, was a success). The disagreements he had with other members were, to be frank, hilarious. He was always blamed completely for the disagreements, but in truth it was halfsies with the other person, who usually provoked him and did nothing to let it die out, such as ignoring D3Vs posts. I will say that he was a complete dick with MJ/Des, though. If he does come back and starts on that again, I'll have words with him.

In conclusion, I like the fellow and wouldn't mind having him back. I won't be held responsible for all his actions, but I will take time to 'advise' him.

Grav and MJ are most likely gone for good. Based on D3V's past offenses, I don't see how a small boost in activity will make up for the risk of losing additional members. That being said, Thanatos' point about D3V's significant changes over the course of his membership is good.

I am against unbanning D3V, but if you (the members) want him back, his ban will either be converted into one limited by time (e.g. two weeks), or he will be unbanned at once. Just don't expect me to be surprised if he gets banned again.

The point is - if he promised to straighten up in 2006 - why would him promising now be any different?

I'm yet to see solid evidence that D3V drove Grav off. It's said that he 'scared' him by digging up info on him, but then people have said that Grav simply got bored of talking on forums, and left to experience real life.

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Check your dates - that was 2007.

Well, put him on a temp unban first, like a trial unbanning. After two weeks, he'll earn another 4, and so forth. I say unban him, he's a good poster.

zomg im sorry - missed it by a year.../sigh

The point is there shouldnt be the rumor that he scared Grav off. If he wasnt the asshat he is / was then there would be no reasons to suspect him of Grav's absence

Exactly. This is Grav's last post:

http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread....925#post627925

It mentions nothing of D3V.

And if MJ left because of D3V, why hasn't MJ come back? D3V has been gone for months and I'm sure somebody has contacted MJ telling him D3V is gone. Where is he?

i think i was the one who drove off mj i was arguing with him then i never seen him again

MJ was having problems IRL, which is why he needed the name change. He did say, at one point, that he'd rarely be online. I think D3V sped up the leaving process, which is sad. I imagine MJ will be back at some point in the future, regardless of D3V's status. As far as I could tell, the only friction between the two was the MJ/Des saga.

page 3 mentions how d3v threatened to post all of gravs information if he pissed him off. thus causing him to 'disappear'

but d3v has changed so hell forgive the people he is aposively drove off

What else is new?

Hah, D3v was never a racist asshole, nor did he promote the KKK. He was TROLLING. That's what D3v did, that's what D3v does, and that's what D3v will continue to do. He has ALWAYS been a troll.

As stated above, D3v was trolling when he first came here. He only acted like a racist to get a rise out of people.

I don't think anyone has ever disputed the fact that D3v created a lot of activity and was a great member, when he wasn't being a complete dick. You say that D3v was always blamed when it was actually equally the other persons fault, but I disagree. That was the case a lot of the time, especially in the beginning. However, there were numerous cases where people would attempt to ignore D3v and he would continue pressing their buttons. It almost seemed like ignoring him just made him try harder.

MJordan, the only person we know of that had contact with Grav after he left, told us that Grav had told him the reason that he left was because of D3v.

On top of Grav and MJordan, however, there's also Slim and MedievalBob who have both claimed they've left because of D3v in the past.

Here's what I suggest:

Someone vouch for D3v. Thanatos, most likely. When D3v comes back and eventually gets banned again, Thanatos does as well. If you've really got faith that D3v has changed, put your money where your mouth is and show it.

MJ is unable to return because of IRL problems that D3v caused to become worse. MJ had to have his name changed because of his IRL problems, and D3v went out of his way to make it obvious to any outside visitor that "Desmethones" was MJordan. This got MJordan into some sort of IRL trouble that has caused him to be unable to return.

It should be stated that MJordan was AGAINST banned D3v when talks of permanently banning D3v were happening. D3v would have been permanently banned earlier than he was if it hadn't been for MJordan. D3v just so happened to pick the one person keeping him from being banned to piss off.

not allways we did help me argue with mj when i was first here

Jamer, you did not run off MJ.

I don't think he should come back. He likes to start too much trouble and push shit too far.