There needs to be changes.

Lets wait a month or so because summer break is coming up and a lot of people are getting off school (Me 2), lets see if it makes a difference.

Oh, and that one time you banned be for using profanity, nice shot below the belt.

Kool I make mistakes. Guess I'm human.

If the title under your name doesn't mean shit, then please remove it, and turn the staff into a covert-type deal. Most of the time I bitch about a staff's decision is when it is unfair mainly towards me or anybody else in the argument. (Had several posts closed because they were anti-sov and a few that bashed the staff). SO I did end up PMming you and you deleted it, tried contacting you over aim you told me to fuck off blocked me..etc.etc. The Forums have gone to shit with you here Sov, as sup mod you lose, as you have not done anything positive for Zelaron.

Why make it covert. You allw ill Still no know whot he staff are. Those titles are there to make newer members know who staff are. Remove them for all I care itll do nothing. I tell you to fuck off over aim because you are annoying, and when you DO contact me, you whine. You keep on saying I've done nothing positive yet for over a year I have kept my position, while you have lost YOURS. By the way If you want to bring up lkittle isolated incidents of bad actions, I can probably find at least 50 towards you.

As for Grav, he used to be a funny person in my opinion, then one day he got modded (for some thread that nobody knows of...iuno.) And he starts spamming every fucking reply he can with random bullshit that should be deleted according to the rules. I think you guys do need to crack down tighter on the bullshit and crackdown shit mainly besides chat forum, where bullshit is allowed.

It was because he was voted wow guild leader...... a position that YOU guys voted for him.

I don't see how you can get off saying we are just as responsible for what goes on here, yes you are our role models (supposed to be...forum wise, so what do we look up to? A stupid fat loser hippie who smokes/drinks and lives in his mom's basement). But when one of you two, or any other staff member for that matter goes around bullshitting excessively, the members follow do the same, forums turn to hell, ban all.

I live upstairs. I don't smoke, and even If I did everyday It's none of your business. I dont even see wehre you're getting the mom's basement and drinking from. Wanna play a make believe game of false and irrelavant information? You know whatt this is called d3v, its called slander. As part of my new outlook on modding, if you continue to post slanderous material towards me, you will be temp banned.

I'm telling you it's not our jobs to be role models, and you're saying it is. Are you retarded? http://zelaron.com/forum/faq.php?faq...l#faq_diamonds
If you HONESTLY need a role modle for a forum, please close yoru eyes, and change your pw by randomly basing your keyboard. Same with the pw recovery email addy.

You are acting as though all members are mindless drones. Are you calling the whole forum stupid and mindless? Because I'm sure people have free will. People are just not posting they way you want, so you are looking for a scape goat and putting it on the staff for being 'bad role modles'. They are pretty much posting what they want when they want.

By the way, remember these events?
[02:46] Wanker22287: Dev...we have matching ips on the imposterchruser and one of yoru ip adresses....if it was you confess now and i promise it will only be a temp ban
[02:46] Wanker22287: no more then 3 days
[02:46] DevJeepCherokee: How did it match?
[02:47] Wanker22287: penguin can pull up a list of all the ip's you used. HE found a matching one
[02:47] DevJeepCherokee: Yeah, it was me, sorry for dragging you into it, but when he said that I was gonna get banned i freaked out and started lying , oh well, guess it can't be taken back, sorry

Or this incident when Ex temp banned you?

and said he's a superior lifeform than me cuz hes american?

That first one happened late in 2003 when i was a mod of STARCRAFT. I had no power other then a little forum I was trying to kick life into. The second one happened middle of last year when I was a strict straight edge mod. You have ALWAYS been like this, and I'm sure I can find exmaples of other people always acting they way they are now, before any of the current sup mods (minus james, you old fart!) were modded. Did my star craft roll modling cause you to do this? Because I was a LOT more strict and serious aboiut my job then then now. So OBVIOUSLY you don't look up to us. Why claim to.

Lets wait a month or so because summer break is coming up and a lot of people are getting off school (Me 2), lets see if it makes a difference.

That is true, I'm sure there will be a bit of a rise in activity as summer roles around, but more activity would never hurt. It would certainly bring a lot more activity, and keep the forums from declining rapidly once summer is out. But there's no point debating about this yet because we don't even know (perhaps you do) whether or not it's doable, agreeable, and practical yet. I would like to know what WW has to say about this.

Sov, there's no point arguing. You're in a position of power, at least at the forum, and there will almost always be critics. In my opinion, you're doing a fine job. The only thing I dislike about you is that you're not a Star Wars fan!

I'm intrigued. What is this other forum?

I agree that Sov is doing a good job, but if he is indeed ever ignoring anything rational that anyone tries to present to him (as D3V claims has been done) there are plenty of other staff you can speak to that don't have a rocky history with you.

I keep .txt documents of my pms when i clean them out. HERE are some of the pms ive gotten from him.

Titled "Case against sov" on 7-18-2004

Another major problem with Sovereign representing your site is he is a Drug Addict. He may not admit it, but he purchases/smokes Marijuana every time he has the money up for it. And you guys told me when I got banned you didnt' want Zelaron represented as a 'Racist' Forum , but you are willing to be represented as a pothead weed junkie forum? I mean after all, weed is illegal

A pm titled "look sovereign" on 12-27-2004

Well sov. I know that I have probably pissed you off , or maybe just gotten onto your nerves. Whatever the case may be. I was hoping that I could try to be less obnoxious, and less frontal towards you and the other members of the forum. As a 'supreme moderator' I was hoping you could consider being neutral with me instead of enemies. I just made a pretty horrible thread in the Chat forum which was supposed to be in the flame forum, but I didn't mean to hurt your feelings now that I reflect on what I posted. But I hope we can seperate our differences and just keep clear of each other..

Anotherone titled S sent on 3-03-2005

Sovereign, since you seem to be having a problem with closing threads again for no reason, (which I have saved on file, in my folder on my desktop). You may need a reality check, note: You have a past history of ill-choiced decisions, now I was wondering if you were going to ban me, and for what charges.

He throws insults at me calling me a drug addict. Chrome smokes way more weed in one week then I ever did, yet nothing is said about him. He singles me out. Then he pm's me assuming that I have some sort of thing against him, that I'm out to get him. He acts all nice in the pms but hes lying through his teeth. On the board he didnt change anything. In the third PM he tells me I have poor judgement, and I've made ill fated decisions.

I feel nothing compelling me to respond to those pm's.

Anyway, me am done in this thread. All my views have been expressed here. Back to talking about changes! (and sorry d3v, my demodding isn't going to be one of them. I know it eats you up inside, but I hope you can make it through it.)

Look, I got de-staffed way back because my LOOK DID NOT MATCH WITH THE LOOK/FEEL OF ZELARON, they told me that me saying nigger *being "racist"* made them look racist, so is Zelaron a pot-head forum now? That's how I pretrieve it.

And when you don't answer the PMs and block me on aim, how do I contact you bitch, seriously.

Maybe if you stopped insulting him on the forum he might listen. And I don't feel we have a big leadership problem here. Sure activity has gone down over the years (hell, I was gone for who knows how long), but it doesn't mean the site is dying. I can come on here every day and find at least 10 threads to post on, responding to what my fellow members have said. Some more members/activity would be nice, and hopefully this summer that will happen. I know I wil have significantly less activity this summer, but that's because we don't have internet at our lake house. I'll still try to post a couple times a week if possible.

So to Sov, Grav, RS, Penguin, Chruser, everyone else with powers... I disagree with d3v. I don't feel you abuse your powers, and I feel that you were right in de-modding d3v for racism. If he wants to complain about it, he's going to. Keep up the good work. You guys make this place a pleasure for me to visit, and a place I am proud to be a member of.

Zelaron has THREE admins. Chruser can always be contacted on aim, and wetwired is around a good deal. If ANY of the staff were doign harm to the forum, one of these thre people can be contacted to demod the person. Funny thing is, this has NEVER happened. (at least in the time that I've been here).

I resent that! I have De-Modded at least 10 people in my tenure!! Maybe those 3 haven't done what you claim since you've been here, but that was because it was my purpose for being Admin.

Penguin, for someone with so little activity and contribution to Zelaron over the last 2 years (roughly), you sure sound like someone that would throw a hissy fit if you got De-Admined. Being Admin means nothing if you do nothing and no one respects you anyway, so why bother? Novelty? Who cares really..? Oh, and no one asked you to plead your case..

To the many other complaining members, things get done around here. Things get implemented. Not everything you want can be added. Not everything is logical. Just because a few people suggest something, doesn't mean it's a consensus. Truth is, everything is taken into consideration, but after everything is weighed, it usually doesn't pan out, and for very good, logical reasons.

On another note, I'm not around nearly as much anymore, but the quality of posts (as in wit, humor, enjoyment in reading, etc.) have gone to crap. That is nothing to do with the Staff, they do a fine job, it is simply because people either don't have time or don't care. That's life, get over it. I say stop complaining and start setting examples.

Fuck it.

Penguin, for someone with so little activity and contribution to Zelaron over the last 2 years (roughly), you sure sound like someone that would throw a hissy fit if you got De-Admined. Being Admin means nothing if you do nothing and no one respects you anyway, so why bother? Novelty? Who cares really..? Oh, and no one asked you to plead your case..

Throw a hissy fit? I would simply stop coming here and refuse to help zelaron in any way. I have said it before and I will say it again, there is NOTHING for me to do right now. If something needs to be done, have someone contact me on AIM or PM and ill do it.

I dont think Admins should have to waste their time modding forums at all. Thats what mods and sup mods are for. The only Modding admins should have control over is appointing new mods, and firing old ones. If admins have to warn people for spamming and delete threads then there are obviously not enough mods on the forum or the current ones suck.

I have already explained before why keeping me as an admin is a good idea in case of future emergencys, if ww and chruser could care less then go ahead and de admin me and admin Sov or You again. I am sure in the future when zelaron needs money for advertising and server costs you 2 will be glad to throw more then a couple hundred over right? Or when they need a new server or hosting that would probably cost 30-100 dollars a month, you will be the first to offer. Because deleting spam threads, appointing mods, and installing stupid item rpg hacks is not going to save this forum.

I dont need to plead my case with anyone. I was just making people aware of what Chruser and some others are already aware of. Titus, you were the one who quit your position here, you could of stayed on and offered a little bit of help instead of quitting all together. You are still fairly active here but do not want to be an admin anymore, youd rather be a member here and not do admin/mod duties. Why couldent you stay admin and just try harder? Or been appointed a mod of a less active forum? Youd still be helping zelaron that way. Your active enough now to do Some admining or modding for zelaron, which is better then None at all (Compare your activity level to the mods and admins here at Zelaron). How dedicated are you to Zelaron?

I am sure I have the respect of at least a few people here and thats all I care about. If no one respected me, and Everyone wanted me out, I wouldent still be here would I? Zelaron isent a huge business that has to explain all its decsions to shareholders or anything. Chruser basically owns Zelaron and I respect and trust Chruser and I am sure he at least does for me so let Chruser do what he wants. My postion at zelaron is basically my postion with Chruser at this time anyway. The only reason I "Care" anymore is because my life has become more work/business than it has games/leisure and its nice to have ties to this forum for me. This is one of the only places I visit on the internet that isent work related. I am not overly confident that I will remain admin either so even if I somehow get deadmined (I know a couple situations where this could be possible) then dont take it as a "Oh shit look, Penguin was de-admined even after he wrote all that bullshit about staying admin" because I am well aware of where I am at right now and what can happen. If I get de-admined, it wont be unexpected, and I will of pretty much let it happen. I will be de-admined, when I want to be de-admined, or when I stop caring enough to do what I need to do to stay admin.

The people who keep talking about replacing me, or adding a new admin, or just de-admining me are looking at the wrong place in getting Zelaron back to being active. My status here is in no way a priority or even on the list for making Zelaron better. Removing me or replacing me will just add extra work, get rid of future helping possibilities by me, and further throw zelaron down. How does it make zelaron worse by having me as an admin? I might not be making Zelaron much better now but in the Future I can (And I have in the past), its just a title under my name, so why does it bother you so much? I have my reasons for wanting to stay here, and I have my bonuses, so just drop this entire thing against me and talk about something else.

Bother me so much? I made a very obvious observation and you were the one that wrote a fucking novel. I couldn't care less if you stay Admin. I couldn't care less if you never visited Zelaron again. This is literally the only time I've read more than 2 posts from you in the same month over the last two years. You are way too insignificant.

Keep bringing up the money example. I'm glad you bought your way to your position at Zelaron. Good job buck-o!

Since he has money so to speak, then he should pay all the members to post regularly and not spam or break the rules

As I've said before, we need new staff, clean it all out and start over.

So we've got a quitter, a lurker, and a kid who gets beat up by middle schoolers all complaining about... nothing. Go internet!

Ooh they added an Emo forum, this isn't what I was talking about......

Too much complaining about each other and not enough real discussion in this thread. Closed.