God's Set plan for Me

Nice dodge of the question, why are you so mad? I thought Indians were supposed to be nice people, or are the dots different than the feathers?

I see the racism still courses through your veins. Unfortunately, people don't change.

I'm not even arguing the possibility of a device that could sustain maintainability forever, I know at our point in time in history that is impossible. What you are saying is that it will never be possible, where I am saying it is completely still possible.

And what you are saying is blatantly incorrect.

Can you give me a better word than perpetual that would better suit a machine that could run beyond the existance of our own human race?

I don't know of a word. But a machine that can outlive the human race is not what a perpetual motion machine is. And perpetual motion is what you were originally talking about. If you don't know of a simple term to describe your idea, then describe your idea, don't simply substitute a completely different term for it.

I never even said energy could be created.

This hypothetical machine would also not have to be friction-free given that more energy is created than being put in.

My whole original purpose was saying a machine could be created that would produce more energy than is used.

why aren't you saying, "We haven't figured out how to create energy yet"?

Self-ownage for the win. Or are you too incompetent to realize that you've contradicted yourself multiple times?

Now, you want me to answer the question why I'm not saying "We haven't figured out how to create energy yet?" But in fact, I have answered it. Multiple times. But I'll do it yet again. It's because anyone who knows the first thing about physics knows that this is impossible. Not technologically impossible, based on what we have today. But impossible because universe does not permit it.

God, I love knowing that I get at you, D3V. It's fun watching you squirm. Pissing out school-girl insults while neg-repping me. Watching you change the entire subject of your thread just to defend your ill-conceived position. You're a tool. And I'm not talking about the kind of tool girls go crazy about. That would be too good for you. You're the annoying, loud, grating tool used for menial jobs at 8 AM in the morning. But actually, even they serve a purpose, so maybe I'm being too nice.

Anyway, I've said all that was there to be said. I'll come back next time I feel like banging my head against a ridiculously dense wall. I'm out.

D3v, you're wrong. Energy cannot be created nor can it be destroyed. Whatever you put into a system, you'll get back out, minus whatever you lose to friction and other unavoidable inefficiencies. You will never get out more than you put in, and it's currently not possible to retrieve ALL of the energy put into a system. There's always some loss, and even if you did find a way to create a "perfect" machine that had NO loss, you still wouldn't be creating energy or getting "free energy".

i think i know how to make a near perfect source for energy

There is one word that will fix all of D3V's arguements.
Paradox.
Create an energy Paradox, and you're fine.

If you create a machine that generates electricity more-so than it uses, would that not create 'free energy'?

If you create a machine that generates electricity more-so than it uses, would that not create 'free energy'?

Yes. But like I stated, you can't create a machine that puts out more power than it takes in. It is by definition impossible, as energy cannot be created nor can it be destroyed. The energy has to come from somewhere.

As long as you tell me that, I am still going to believe for the rest of my life that there is a loophole somewhere, and I can't explain why. I am aware that it sounds ignorant, but it's just what is stuck inside of my head.

I see the racism still courses through your veins. Unfortunately, people don't change. And what you are saying is blatantly incorrect. I don't know of a word. But a machine that can outlive the human race is not what a perpetual motion machine is. And perpetual motion is what you were originally talking about. If you don't know of a simple term to describe your idea, then describe your idea, don't simply substitute a completely different term for it. Self-ownage for the win. Or are you too incompetent to realize that you've contradicted yourself multiple times? Now, you want me to answer the question why I'm not saying "We haven't figured out how to create energy yet?" But in fact, I have answered it. Multiple times. But I'll do it yet again. It's because anyone who knows the first thing about physics knows that this is impossible. Not technologically impossible, based on what we have today. But impossible because universe does not permit it. God, I love knowing that I get at you, D3V. It's fun watching you squirm. Pissing out school-girl insults while neg-repping me. Watching you change the entire subject of your thread just to defend your ill-conceived position. You're a tool. And I'm not talking about the kind of tool girls go crazy about. That would be too good for you. You're the annoying, loud, grating tool used for menial jobs at 8 AM in the morning. But actually, even they serve a purpose, so maybe I'm being too nice. Anyway, I've said all that was there to be said. I'll come back next time I feel like banging my head against a ridiculously dense wall. I'm out.

Getting to me? I'm just throwing out ideas in a bullshit thread and you're writing a volume about how you've owned me. If I don't care, you don't own? Fun watching me squirm? You must be really bored, MJordan2nd. Why did you leave Zelaron again? Paranoid?

with my design it would involve the airless vacuum called space. .... a ring of coiled copper wire and a magnet with boosters to get the magnet going around the ring
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the inside of the ring would look like this //---\\
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the magnet will be guided be magnetic rails inside the ring
(take note that the . are not apart of the design

I don't think anything currently being discussed would be possible, but still does not mean the possibility is not out there.

with this design there wouldnt be any wasted energy but electrical emergey gained

I hate to say it, but my thinking is similar to yours Jamer. I don't know why I think the way that I do, I don't even know why i'm so hard pressed to believe that anything like this could even work. I've honestly figured you could eliminate factors that would make it impossible such as friction and find a way to generate a small amount of electricity. Atleast with Magnets you aren't using energy, you are just using magnetical push and pull on the frame of a motor, while convertion the motion into electricity through the generator, which could then be placed wherever. The factors that could not be eliminated would only mean the machine would run at x% (75-80% due to drag) efficiency, and not 100% efficiency.

the inside of the ring would look like this //---\\ .................................................. ...|-(0)-| .................................................. ...\\---//

Dude, that's called a cylinder.

I am confident that somebody already has, or will eventually design a machine using magnets in some form that will overpower it's resistance, hence churning a motor/gear setup with an electric generator that could eventually become a platform to build more complex, more elaborate machines that can generate tons of more power. That's the whole idea of this thread is not to contemplate something to power a house or vehicle, but just a small machine, a prototype model of this motor that would be able to transfer the motion from the magnets pulling the motor, and turn it into electricity.

I'm thinking electromagnetics is where it's at, just how is it done? AC.

I'll scan some of my designs sometime and put them on here, even if I get laughed out of here. My thinking is that if using a gear system on the generator, similar to a bicycle gearing system, could have movement generated from nothing at the highest gear (easiest to move, lowest resistance) once at a certain speed, and a current is generated a second set of magnets could turn on and gears would swap, hence creating more churn for the generator, which results in more electricity generated. No I do not know enough about this type of technology and no I cannot inform anybody in great detail, but my thought process figures a flywheel type setup could make this possible. And if not? Whatever, it's still fun to ponder.