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Posted 2003-12-10, 10:05 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Atheists... what would it take?"
Kuja said:
Yes, it is often refered to as *delusion*
That's what "highly educated" people will call it. I will say this once. In the end, men will scoff and say "What God? There is no God." and then they will scoff "THe end has not yet come, I see no end to come." Pity them and pray for their souls.
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Posted 2003-12-11, 08:30 AM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Atheists... what would it take?"
I don't really know whether to believe in god.I have had a pretty good life but I do believe that something created life.What I don't believe in is heaven or hell although heaven is supposed to be a great vacation spot.
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Posted 2003-12-11, 09:09 AM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Atheists... what would it take?"
KagomJack said:
God's divine intervention happens to be a friend or an aquaintance.
I have no idea what this means.

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Posted 2003-12-11, 09:18 AM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Atheists... what would it take?"
It mean that ppl will beleive that when in need it will be god that will send some sort of subconcious messege to a friend or aquaintance to help you...
Like i said.
Delusion.
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Posted 2003-12-11, 09:41 AM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Atheists... what would it take?"
*Yawn* It's not like we stand alone on this. The greatest minds the human race has created agree as well.
What I've learned from living in this country : America is a bad word, so is Religion.
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Posted 2003-12-11, 12:12 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Atheists... what would it take?"
Kuja said:
Your the one that just made no sense. Come on, tell me some of those evidence that will look like
"I didnt had a meal in days and there he was! Jesus! Riding Santa sleig! After my joyful moment he threw me a bread and said enjoy."
maybe i am using the wrong dictionary?
merriam-webster on evidence said:
1 a : an outward sign : INDICATION b : something that furnishes proof : TESTIMONY; specifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter
2 : one who bears witness; especially : one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against his accomplices
- in evidence 1 : to be seen : CONSPICUOUS <trim lawns ... are everywhere in evidence -- Amer. Guide Series: N.C.> 2 : as evidence
is not the bible and the holy scriptures "evidence" to christians?
are not the holy men or prophets or other religiously important people "evidence" to the christians?
is not stigmata and the words of the pope "evidence" to christians?
are not the prayers of millions of people around the world and the faith of the christians as a whole "evidence" to the christians?
you do realize that evidence does not necessarily have to be definitive nor even true for that matter?
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sh0e said:
how is the explanation "logical".. its self contradictory if anything
claiming that there is no "supreme being" because there is no solid "proof".. yet they have even less "proof" themselves
yea...seriously that made no sense
maybe i need to make it more clear for you with an example
if i were to say that you are a retard because you have no "proof" that you are not a retard
how would i make "logical" sense unless i have "proof" myself that you are a retard?
thus it is self-contradictory:
merriam-webster on self-contradictory said:
: consisting of two contradictory members or parts
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Posted 2003-12-11, 02:37 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Atheists... what would it take?"
First of all, I am not overly religious AT ALL.

Second, NOT A SINGLE FUCKING PERSON ANSWERED MY QUESTION. (okay, maybe like two)
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Posted 2003-12-11, 03:05 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Atheists... what would it take?"
sh0e said:

mjordan2nd said:
sh0e said:
how is the explanation "logical".. its self contradictory if anything
claiming that there is no "supreme being" because there is no solid "proof".. yet they have even less "proof" themselves
yea...seriously that made no sense
maybe i need to make it more clear for you with an example
if i were to say that you are a retard because you have no "proof" that you are not a retard
how would i make "logical" sense unless i have "proof" myself that you are a retard?
thus it is self-contradictory:
merriam-webster on self-contradictory said:
: consisting of two contradictory members or parts
well...u just proved my point...it's just as logical to say that there is no god as to say there is a god because neither side has proof...

btw...is it illogical to say that the power-rangers dont exist?

no...it's perfectly logical to say the power-rangers dont exist...but I can not prove to you that they dont exist
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Posted 2003-12-11, 03:11 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Atheists... what would it take?"
As people have stated, none.

But first you will have to define what a "God" is. Do you mean the Christian God? Or just a Perfect Being? Or the Creator of this world? Or just a more superior being (than human)?


11:49 Skurai said:
I don't have to study for math, I'm technically a genius, just don't care to show.
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Posted 2003-12-11, 03:24 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Atheists... what would it take?"
sh0e said:
maybe i am using the wrong dictionary?
merriam-webster on evidence said:
1 a : an outward sign : INDICATION b : something that furnishes proof : TESTIMONY; specifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter
2 : one who bears witness; especially : one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against his accomplices
- in evidence 1 : to be seen : CONSPICUOUS <trim lawns ... are everywhere in evidence -- Amer. Guide Series: N.C.> 2 : as evidence
is not the bible and the holy scriptures "evidence" to christians?
are not the holy men or prophets or other religiously important people "evidence" to the christians?
If i wrote a book saying that what you just said was stupid. Would it be an evidence or my opinion ? It's not because something is written that it is something that been proven.
What your doing right now is twisting meanings of word to fit what you want.
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Posted 2003-12-11, 03:28 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Atheists... what would it take?"
Yea...thats crazy...there's about 1000 different religions that have many "holy scriptures" copntaining "the word of god". You deffinetly can't say that one book is better than the other...there is no proof...in fact there is no proof whatsoever that any of them are right. People wrote down crazy things back then anyways.
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Posted 2003-12-11, 03:31 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Atheists... what would it take?"
When i used to read disney book when i was young i knew it wasnt true. With the bible, well it's the same kind of story. Man with power that are not normal like living for a huge amount of years, super strength, possiblity to dupe food and get ppl drunk with water.
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Posted 2003-12-11, 04:53 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Atheists... what would it take?"
Kuja said:
sh0e said:
maybe i am using the wrong dictionary?
merriam-webster on evidence said:
1 a : an outward sign : INDICATION b : something that furnishes proof : TESTIMONY; specifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter
2 : one who bears witness; especially : one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against his accomplices
- in evidence 1 : to be seen : CONSPICUOUS <trim lawns ... are everywhere in evidence -- Amer. Guide Series: N.C.> 2 : as evidence
is not the bible and the holy scriptures "evidence" to christians?
are not the holy men or prophets or other religiously important people "evidence" to the christians?
If i wrote a book saying that what you just said was stupid. Would it be an evidence or my opinion ? It's not because something is written that it is something that been proven.
What your doing right now is twisting meanings of word to fit what you want.
yes it could be USED as evidence
you could come to me and tell me that what i said was stupid and use the book and what it contains as evidence
but this would be severely flawed because of the amount of bias that would be involved

and maybe you should reread the definition that i have given you for evidence.. i would be greatly obliged if you would enlighten me to where it says that evidence must be "proven"
unless you would like to dispute the definition provided by merriam-webster

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Posted 2003-12-11, 05:20 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Atheists... what would it take?"
Do you even realise what you are saying ? Your saying that i could send you to jail just by writing in a book that you are a murderer. Stop twisting the diffinition of "evidence"...
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Posted 2003-12-11, 05:30 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Atheists... what would it take?"
umm...for the love of god...OFCOURSE EVIDENCE MUSE BE PROVEN What the hell else is evidence?

EVIDENCE: To indicate clearly; exemplify or prove.



www.dictionary.com

look it up if u dont believe me
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Posted 2003-12-11, 05:32 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Atheists... what would it take?"
Evidence is used to prove something.
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Posted 2003-12-11, 06:41 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Atheists... what would it take?"
Right... the definition of evidence is not proof... it's something used to prove. Just because there is evidence doesn't mean there is sufficient evidence to justify proof.

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Posted 2003-12-11, 08:31 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Atheists... what would it take?"
mjordan2nd said:
Yea...thats crazy...there's about 1000 different religions that have many "holy scriptures" copntaining "the word of god". You deffinetly can't say that one book is better than the other...there is no proof...in fact there is no proof whatsoever that any of them are right. People wrote down crazy things back then anyways.
That's because its a social mechanism built into the brain to keep people working more effeciently. The reason there are so many different beliefs and religions is because everyone has it, and not everyone thinks the same, and not everyone has grown up in the same environment. People come to their OWN beliefs, and that makes them happy. You people who argue that others are wrong and they're "going to hell" are bigots.
What I've learned from living in this country : America is a bad word, so is Religion.
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Posted 2003-12-12, 12:50 PM in reply to Penny_Bags's post "Atheists... what would it take?"
It's not about a god for me, It's spirituality, I do not believe in spirits, period..

I don't hate on the religious, but I do believe religion (spelling...) is for the weak minded, who cannot live their lives on their own, without a higher direction, or accept simple explanations for the things that happen around them.

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."- Benjamin Franklin
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