About Raziel

Even tho this wont change the event of the battle that i beleive was judged unfairly.

You said yourself about Sonic.

He improvises in any given situation and his incredible speed is what allows him to do that.

Then you said in the same post.

Raziel has all the time he needs to strategize and re-organize his plans

So you contradicted yourself already. Raziel cannot plan against someone that improvise. Since he cant think to do something against another when he cant know what is gonna happen.


All i want is some actual explaination. More then press button twice. From what i can tell it's cause Raziel was always within the area of effect of the staff. Since at the second the staff left radius the blade came back out of his arm. Granted it was "arroused" by battle but if he had control it wouldnt of came out in the first place and he would of been able to disable it anyway.

In nowhere you actualy explained over and over like you claim why Moebius' wouldnt be the one that would allow Raziel to control the Soul Reaver. While i did provide proof of that from gamefaqs.com that say in the ending Moebius' staff left range and this is when the blade came back out! Yes, granted maybe it was arroused by the battle before and it's why it tried to consume him. But why did it come out ? Cause like it says Moebius' staff left range and why didnt he just pull it back in ? If he had control over it after the staff left range of effect he would have been able to leave his blade disabled or disable it again. You never explained that. In range doesnt mean in VISION range. since magic can have more then a visual effect or a visual range.

Are you saying the ending of the game is flawed ?


As for the blade being a parasite it clearly say it on IGN and http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/archive/reaver.php. Yet you claim to have proved me many time it wasnt true. How ?

Also, are you claiming that IGN and Dark Chronicle are lieing about the story ?

Okay, Kuja I am going to fully explain this ONE MORE TIME. I have done this more times than I can count already, but you're obviously not going to give up on it. Here is exactly how the Reaver works in Soul Reaver 2.

The Soul Reaver is a wraith blade. A blade made entirely of spirit energy. Early in the second Soul Reaver game, Raziel goes through a process called the Reaver Convergence. What happens during the convergence is this: the Reaver wakes up. It becomes sentient, it has a mind of it's own, but it is still under Raziel's control to an extent. Occasionally, the Reaver manages to take control, but it's very rare, and only under heightened circumstances.

Now that the Reaver has awakened, it must be fed souls in order for Raziel to use it in combat. Anytime that Raziel kills an enemy, the Reaver devours the souls, which prevents Raziel from being able to devour them himself. That's how Raziel heals himself. He devours souls. If the Reaver steals those souls away fom him, then he can't heal himself. Therefore, Raziel can't use the Reaver all the time. He only uses it against really tough enemies, because otherwise he has no way to heal himself.

If Raziel uses the Reaver against an enemy in combat, when he kills the enemy, a red circle will begin to form around his health gauge. It takes about three kills in order to complete the circle. If the circle is completed, the Reaver goes crazy and starts leeching energy off of Raziel instead. Do you remember the dog analogy I used before?

That circle represents how much power is being fed to the Reaver. It represents how much stronger the Reaver is getting with each soul it devours. If the Reaver becomes too strong, or if it becomes too excited, Raziel can't prevent it from stealing energy from himself. So, how does he work around this? By leaving the Reaver deactivated most of the time. He doesn't use the Reaver against most normal enemies. He uses regular weapons instead.

If the Reaver isn't fed any souls, or if its TURNED OFF it doesn't have the ability to start leeching power off of Raziel because it's either too weak, or because it's basically asleep. As long as Raziel has the Reaver activated, if he attacks an enemy, he makes that circle grow larger. If he turns the Reaver off, the circle disappears, and he is no longer in danger.

Now, onto Moebius' staff. Moebius' staff has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REAVER. For most of the game, Raziel isn't even in the same time period as the staff. All the staff does is SUPPRESS the Reaver if Moebius commands it. It's the only other thing in existence BESIDES RAZIEL HIMSELF that can "de-activate" the Reaver. But, the staff doesn't shut it off entirely, it just SUPRESSES the Reaver's power. The Reaver is still awake, it's just unable to do anything.

Raziel can turn it on and off whenever the hell he wants, it doesn't drain his life until the circle gauge has been filled, and it doesn't steal souls from him in the Spectral Realm.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU NOW?

Here is what happens in the end of the game, Kuja. ARE YOU LISTENING?

At the very end of the game, Raziel confronts Moebius in the Sarafan Cathedral. He tries to attack Moebius, and Moebius uses his staff to disable the Reaver. Raziel then picks up the PHYSICAL FORM OF THE REAVER and threatens to attack Moebius with it. The physical Reaver is the actual metal blade that the wraith blade used to be trapped inside. Since Raziel's wraith blade has been disabled, the only weapon he has at his disposal is the physical blade, and he finds it lying on an altar inside the cathedral.

Moebius flees, and as Raziel is hunting him down, 6 Sarafan Warriors confront him. Raziel kills them all, feeding their blood to the physical blade, and feeding their souls to the wraith blade. After he kills the last one, the disabling effect wears off, and the Reaver re-activates BECAUSE IT WAS ACTIVATED BEFORE MOEBIUS FORCED IT TO DE-ACTIVATE. It comes back out because it's no longer being suppressed by the staff.

So, since the wraith blade has been re-activated, and it's just been fed a whole ass-load of souls, it's gone soul-crazy. It searches the room for another victim, and when it doesn't find one, it attacks Raziel instead. The wraith blade and the physical blade become one, and they attempt to devour Raziel together. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE NOW?

I would like to point out one more time, Kuja, that you have never played Soul Reaver 2. You are taking bits and pieces of the story off of GameFAQs and IGN and mis-interpreting them. The websites, the FAQs and the walkthroughs that you keep reading are correct. YOU are incorrect. You are taking the things that you are reading out of context, and misusing them. This fight was judged perfectly fairly. The only person confused here was you.

Fuck, this was supposed to be an edit.

Well, regardless. There's this as well.

So you contradicted yourself already. Raziel cannot plan against someone that improvise. Since he cant think to do something against another when he cant know what is gonna happen.

How the hell do you think military tacticians have jobs? Nobody ever knows exactly what their opponent is going to do in combat, because they're not clairvoyant. Battle plans and strategies are formed based around what the enemy is capable of, not what the enemy is going to do. I've mentioned this before, and I'll mention it again. Since this is a tournament, Raziel would know exactly who is he is going up against each round, and would have enough time to form a plan based around the information that he gathers. If that plan didn't quite work, he could shift into Spectral, re-adjust the plan and try a different approach. Sonic wouldn't do any planning because it's not in his nature. That's where he would fail.

This actualy the first time you take the time to explain it.

the Reaver wakes up. It becomes sentient, it has a mind of it's own, but it is still under Raziel's control to an extent. Occasionally, the Reaver manages to take control, but it's very rare, and only under heightened circumstances.

It does explain stuff.

If the Reaver isn't fed any souls, or if its TURNED OFF it doesn't have the ability to start leeching power off of Raziel because it's either too weak, or because it's basically asleep. As long as Raziel has the Reaver activated, if he attacks an enemy, he makes that circle grow larger. If he turns the Reaver off, the circle disappears, and he is no longer in danger.

About that one you can see i stoped using it cause you explained before and this is why in this thread i added that it was arroused from the fight not from some other reason.

For most of the game, Raziel isn't even in the same time period as the staff.

ARE YOU LISTENING?

If you had took the time to actualy explain instead of saying no no not working. press button twice left right up down bingo. It would have been over.

Moebius uses his staff to disable the Reaver. Raziel then picks up the PHYSICAL FORM OF THE REAVER and threatens to attack Moebius with it. Moebius flees, and as Raziel is hunting him down, 6 Sarafan Warriors confront him. Raziel kills them all, feeding their blood to the physical blade, and feeding their souls to the wraith blade. After he kills the last one, the disabling effect wears off, and the Reaver re-activates BECAUSE IT WAS ACTIVATED BEFORE MOEBIUS FORCED IT TO DE-ACTIVATE. It comes back out because it's no longer being suppressed by the staff. So, since the wraith blade has been re-activated, and it's just been fed a whole ass-load of souls, it's gone soul-crazy. It searches the room for another victim, and when it doesn't find one, it attacks Raziel instead. The wraith blade and the physical blade become one, and they attempt to devour Raziel together. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE NOW?

See now thats explaining. In this post you explained the *why* instead of saying stuff that bring nothing.

you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

PRESS THE CIRCLE BUTTON TWICE IN A ROW, OR SELECT THE REAVER IN THE ELEMENTAL REAVER MENU.

Seriously who care if it s triagle, circle, up, up, down, square, L1. What matter isnt what you do on controller is how it work. and i had to make another thread to get anawnser.

I would like to point out one more time, Kuja, that you have never played Soul Reaver 2. You are taking bits and pieces of the story off of GameFAQs and IGN and mis-interpreting them. The websites, the FAQs and the walkthroughs that you keep reading are correct. YOU are incorrect. You are taking the things that you are reading out of context, and misusing them. This fight was judged perfectly fairly. The only person confused here was you.

I did read lot of thing but i didnt read everythign is true and if you actualy explained like i said above it would of helped.

I still think Sonic should of won as only a few of his melee attack can work on Sonic and everything else would end up being repeled to Raziel. Being unpredictable Raziel wouldnt be able to prepare for his attack. Military tacticians can predict cause everyone they always have inteligence report about them. Also, any military rebels or anything have their way of doing thing thats part of psychological report from inteligence. It's not some lunatic trying to look in a crystall ball to see wtf is going to happen. The plane that crashed in the WTC and the Pentagon. It was a unpredictable act ! This is the reason why they did a very good job. It was something unexpected. Sonic would have this to his advantage.

But oh well battle is over.

Kuja, I'm not even going to argue about this anymore. Everything that I said in the battle thread has been said here. You didn't take even so much as half a second to actually read anything that I had posted, and that's why you were confused.

One way or another, the fight is over, and this thread too has served it's purpose.

I have to agree with Raziel on this one. I feel as though he more than extremely adequately explained what you were getting confused about Kuja. His counter arguements basically made any arguement you had obsolete, which is why I sided the way I did.

Maybe you should try to read more indepth from now on, because not everyone is going to take the time as Raziel just did to explain things as though a 2 year old is reading it.

Thank you, Titus.