World Trade Center 7 - September 11, 2001

I agree, which is why I even question it at all. Of course the government's official story can stand ground scientifically when they cherrypick what to report. That's the entire question I've been trying so make sense of, is what would there be to gain? And I choose to focus on WTC 7 because it wasn't hit by a plane, and was a block away. WTC 1 and WTC 2 can be deemed plausible indefinitely regardless of anyone's thoughts on the matter because they were both hit by large jumbo jets, while WTC 7 was not.
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I know that there were several agencies hosted in that building, including the SEC which had ongoing investigations that were "destroyed" during the collapse.





There is uncertainty amongst the "truthers" crowd too. I've seen that the LA Times published an article stating that the builiding which housed the SEC, was destroed and nearly 3000-4000 'substantial files' were destroyed along with nearly 45 active cases being destroyed. I have searched everywhere online to find a citation of such article but it doesn't seem to exist anywhere. Not even a screenshot. All I've found that's close may be this:

Which is cropped, and doesn't include the full article to where that quote may have been listed.

Anyways, this is Harvey Pitt. He was the SEC Chairman. He vowed to track down who was short trading before 9/11

Prelude:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/profiting-from-disaster/

An extraordinary number of trades were betting that American Airlines stock price would fall. The trades are called "puts" and they involved at least 450,000 shares of American. But what raised the red flag is more than 80 percent of the orders were "puts", far outnumbering "call" options, those betting the stock would rise. also: NFS, a subsidiary of Fidelity Brokerage, and TD Waterhouse, a discount firm handled the trades

There is zero mention of this in the 9/11 Commission Report. There is no mention of nearly anything that matters in the report. And that's the problem, the official story has been skewed, and most see it as on purpose. I know it's hard to question any official story, but I remain that it is always better to be skeptical than cynical.

I know it's hard to question any official story, but I remain that it is always better to be skeptical than cynical.

I strongly disagree with you there. You should always treat both skepticism and being cynical equally. It's a perfect mixture for using the brain properly...and getting depression.

Anyways, I don't really have much to say on this topic. It seems silly to me that anyone still cares about this. I also find it strange D3V, that you would reference "truthers," considering I always thought you were brighter than those kinds of people. Not some dipshit who thinks someone can become president without being born here.

Whatever the case, if it's real, if it's a conspiracy (it's not), how it currently effects us is in the form of ISIS and debt. That's where focus should be. Trying to figure out who to blame for this, when we already have someone to blame, is extraordinarily pointless. Because in the end, people just want someone to blame, besides themselves, and that's been solved. So it's time to move on.

Anyways, I don't really have much to say on this topic. It seems silly to me that anyone still cares about this.

You're right, nobody should care. The Patriot Act, increased NSA surveillance, 1 million est casulties in the Middle East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War) and perpetual war costing more than $2 trillion in IRAQ alone
(you know, the country we said has WMDs after 9/11 and said they were also complicit and responsible for and WE ARE STILL FUCKING OCCUPYING)(http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...92D0PG20130314). But if that's not enough for you to care, I pity you - not myself.

I also find it strange D3V, that you would reference "truthers," considering I always thought you were brighter than those kinds of people. Not some dipshit who thinks someone can become president without being born here.

Truthers as in reuters and wikipedia (full of sources)? Kthxbye.

Whatever the case, if it's real, if it's a conspiracy (it's not), how it currently effects us is in the form of ISIS and debt. That's where focus should be. Trying to figure out who to blame for this, when we already have someone to blame, is extraordinarily pointless. Because in the end, people just want someone to blame, besides themselves, and that's been solved. So it's time to move on.

I'm not even agreeing with the truthers, or referencing them. I am questioning the narrative. I see nothing wrong in being skeptical.

All I know is I was obsessed as a kid watching demolition videos. I thought it was the coolest thing ever (for whatever reason) that engineers were smart enough to systematically bring down a building in uniform fashion. I never pursused academics in this field, but I do know whenever I see a building falling as this:



and it is said that falling steel from WTC 2 and office fires caused it I find it absolutely hilarious and false. That's all. No blame on any international conspiracies, just clalling the offical story horseshit.

"We have the power to make this the best generation of mankind in the history of the world or to make it the last." -JFK

Just dropping a link to the older discussion: http://zelaron.com/forum/showthread....574#post689574

First 3 steel buildings to completely collapse in the history of steel frame buliding. WTC 1, WTC 2 and WTC 7.

BUT WHY!?

First 3 steel buildings to completely collapse in the history of steel frame buliding. WTC 1, WTC 2 and WTC 7. BUT WHY!?

They were also the first buildings to be smashed by 767s, though (or in the case of WTC7, its bottom floors were left on fire for several hours...has there been another building in history that survived such a conflagration? I don't know)

Not too many buildings have been hit by a plane. And none on the scale of a 757/767. A b25 bomber crashed into the Empire state building in 1945, but was relatively mild in comparison.

But, there have been a few fires:


In '88 a fire at the Interstate Bank Building in L.A. burned for 4 hours. It is a 62 story building, but did not collapse.


'91 the 38-story One Meridian Plaza in Philly burned for 18 hours and did not collapse.


in 2004 a 56-story office tower burned for 17 hours and spread accross 26 floors. Two floors collapsed, but the underlying floors did not.


In 2005 a 32-story Windsor building in Spain caught fire and burned for over 48 hours. The entire building was in flames. Several top floors collapsed onto lower ones, yet the building remained standing.




2010 an apartment block in Shanghai caught fire and burned for four hours. Did not collapse.






For reference, Germany's Goethe University Tower (32 story)