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Posted 2010-03-24, 06:06 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "I should clarify. I don't particularly..."
They could have a communication system based on entanglement. They could have wormholes to a central comms hub.
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Posted 2010-03-24, 07:01 AM in reply to WetWired's post starting "They could have a communication system..."
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They could have a communication system based on entanglement. They could have wormholes to a central comms hub.

My rummaging on arXiv hasn't yielded any feasible approaches for FTL communication based on quantum entanglement so far, since a classical (information) channel (limited by c) has been required for all of them. If an alien civilization has access to wormhole technology, it would (if I recall correctly) require considerably less energy per bit of sent information to use microwaves than to use entangled particles.

Thus, unless the alien civilization goes out of its way to remain invisible in the EM spectrum, or perhaps unless it needs to transmit information through a planet, it will probably be more likely to use microwave communication that we can detect. Unless they've limited themselves to masers...
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Posted 2010-03-24, 08:00 AM in reply to Knight Sir Rick's post starting "My rummaging on arXiv hasn't yielded..."
After further contemplation, I'm inclined to think that it may take less than 200 years for a technological civilization to go from the advancement of electromagnetic communication to the advent of strong AI. Even if it takes 1000 years, it's still an insignificantly short period of time compared to the almost one billion years it took for the first life to form on Earth.

Since a technological civilization will presumably want as much intelligence and computational capacity as possible (to find out one's purpose here, or perhaps to play god by simulating a universe that is as realistic as possible), it seems likely that it billow out like a cloud of nano-, pico- or femtoscale von Neumann machines in all directions at close to the speed of light. This will probably happen within a few minutes after the strong AI is started the first time, since it will recursively make itself more intelligent. Its purpose may likely be to convert the planets, stars and galaxies into intelligent matter. Ideally, every planck volume in the universe will somehow be arranged into a component of its universal computer. Perhaps it will even try to stop the expansion of the universe to invoke the Omega Point to attain the only true immortality and omnipotence there is.

In other words, why would the aliens want to talk to us when they can just breeze by us like a dark .999c wind on a rainy Sunday morning, retool our atoms into a computer and fulfil their own digital dreams instead?
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Posted 2010-03-24, 07:50 PM in reply to Knight Sir Rick's post starting "After further contemplation, I'm..."
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Alternative text: Statistics suggest that there should be tons of alien encounter stories, and in practice there are tons of alien encounter stories. This is known as Fermi's Lack-of-a-Paradox.

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Posted 2010-03-25, 07:34 AM in reply to Knight Sir Rick's post starting "My rummaging on arXiv hasn't yielded..."
My statements were two competing theories. If they used wormholes, the signal could be unidirectional and low power.
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Posted 2010-03-25, 09:00 PM in reply to WetWired's post starting "My statements were two competing..."
Do a bunch of wormholes, a bunch of times.
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