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Posted 2008-09-07, 02:39 PM in reply to Jessifer's post starting "The thread died about a month ago...."
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The thread died about a month ago. Receive an answer, you shall not.
Damn I was actually hoping for some meaningful convo.
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Posted 2008-09-07, 04:12 PM in reply to xSerenity Diedx's post starting "Damn I was actually hoping for some..."
I'm game.
I could ask you the same question. What would you believe if God hadn't been theorized?

For the sake of discussion, I will explain this in the easiest terms to relate to. The theory of evolution isn't some idea that someone came out with one day. It is a theory, which as almost everyone learned in science class, a theory is a belief that is backed up with a large amount of supporting evidence. Evolution has tons of evidence buried in the earth. From micro-organisms to early humans, there is proof that there was shit here before us. We can use different methods to simulate the passage of time and how long it would take for something to become 'fossilized'.

God, on the other hand, is used to describe things people don't understand, just so they don't have to understand. Plus he is, I believe, the youngest religion that is viewed as an actual religion. Any time something happens that can't be easily explained with someone's low level of knowledge, they chalk it up to evidence that god exists. Such is the case of the past.

The one main difference between the theory of god and evolution, evolution was bound to come up, because humanity feels the need to understand its origins. God was just one way of telling how we were originated because we didn't have a better understanding of our Earth.
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Posted 2008-09-07, 04:41 PM in reply to Draco2003's post starting "I'm game. I could ask you the same..."
i agree whole heartedly to your statements. i feel god was just something people used to make themselves feel better about something they knew nothing about.
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Posted 2008-09-07, 05:18 PM in reply to Kazilla's post starting "i agree whole heartedly to your..."
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I have realized over the years that evolution has as much a chance of happining as a grain of sand becoming as rare as gold.
There are so many flaws in the whole thing its not even funny.... first of all it is directly attached to the "Big Bang Theroy" which has even more flaws...
Now evolution is understood to take many thousands of years right... so if a lizard begain to grow wings the scales on its legs would grow out and get longer, but since scales are heavier than feathers woulden't that evolutionary critter get eaten(natural selection)? I mean the longer scales would cause problems making the lizard slower and an easier target for its predators...

The big bang theroy states that all the matter in the universe came to gether to a spot in the universe and came to gether to form a super dense and hot ball of mass alot smaller than the size of earth..... first of all the only thing that could possibly bring matter together like that is a black hole or a massive star... things just dont come together on their own.... now a black hole would destroy the matter and the star would just use the matter as fuel ... even if some how it did come together it would need alot of energy to fuse to gether.... the fusion would use up alot of energy and cause the matter to become a different element; it has been shown that any element fused like that would last only a few miliseconds and would break apart becoming individual atoms and elements (not explode)....
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Posted 2008-09-07, 05:45 PM in reply to Draco2003's post starting "I'm game. I could ask you the same..."
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I'm game.
I could ask you the same question. What would you believe if God hadn't been theorized?

For the sake of discussion, I will explain this in the easiest terms to relate to. The theory of evolution isn't some idea that someone came out with one day. It is a theory, which as almost everyone learned in science class, a theory is a belief that is backed up with a large amount of supporting evidence. Evolution has tons of evidence buried in the earth. From micro-organisms to early humans, there is proof that there was shit here before us. We can use different methods to simulate the passage of time and how long it would take for something to become 'fossilized'.

God, on the other hand, is used to describe things people don't understand, just so they don't have to understand. Plus he is, I believe, the youngest religion that is viewed as an actual religion. Any time something happens that can't be easily explained with someone's low level of knowledge, they chalk it up to evidence that god exists. Such is the case of the past.

The one main difference between the theory of god and evolution, evolution was bound to come up, because humanity feels the need to understand its origins. God was just one way of telling how we were originated because we didn't have a better understanding of our Earth.
I didnt state anything towards my beliefs but sense you did here goes.

On the subject of evolution I can never really come to terms with the human version of it

1.We never came from monkeys just a more premitive form of a human,so in theory we were never monkeys but always human (Ask me to elaborate or break it down if this is to much to handle)

You use the term God to generally but in my belief God is the father of jesus christ and 1/3 of a being A.K.A The father the son and the holy ghost

I might contradict myself somehow but here goes my God is an all knowing all powerful 1337 "cant touch this being"

I believe in the evolution theory because my God is not a complete dickhead and what alot of christians fail to understand is that there god is a beast. so it is very possible for God to create the first humans adam and eve through evolution sense his knowledge is endless.

What im trying to say is that people have to look at the bigger picture....I BELIEVE there is a god....a SMART God Smarter than any of your scientist so it is very possible for him to do this its just the dickhead religious group that thinks God made random shit pop out of nowhere. Making anyone like myself sound ignorant just because we believe in a god.(Omg I cant do this anymore Im having back to back brain farts post a reply to this and im sure i can get rid of my brain farts)
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Posted 2008-09-07, 06:42 PM in reply to xSerenity Diedx's post starting "I didnt state anything towards my..."
show any proof your god exists. don't give me testimonials of those who have wittnessed his almight power. solid facts
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Posted 2008-09-07, 07:01 PM in reply to Kazilla's post starting "show any proof your god exists. don't..."
I dont have any proof I just go by faith but just in case there is something in the afterlife I chose a religion just to be safe I know its retarted but yea.
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Posted 2008-09-07, 07:07 PM in reply to xSerenity Diedx's post starting "I dont have any proof I just go by..."
thats where i pull this out of my fck religeon sack. people believe in god because they are scared of what 'might' happen to them in the afterlife... christians are scared that if they dont believe they will be forcible condemned to the depths of hell where you will be forced to do manual labor in the blazing heat while being wipped with chains and you will forever suffer agony!

so you better beleive in god or you will go to hell, and you dont want that... do you, DO YOU
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Posted 2008-09-07, 08:54 PM in reply to xSerenity Diedx's post starting "I dont have any proof I just go by..."
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I dont have any proof I just go by faith but just in case there is something in the afterlife I chose a religion just to be safe I know its retarted but yea.
That's perfectly fine. What isn't fine is when you try to force your belief on someone else, when what they believe actually has a significant amount of evidence and logic behind it. That's my only problem with religious people, really, is that they can't keep it to themselves. I do have a problem with willfull ignorance, but that isn't limited to just religious people.
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Posted 2008-09-08, 08:38 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "That's perfectly fine. What isn't fine..."
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That's perfectly fine. What isn't fine is when you try to force your belief on someone else, when what they believe actually has a significant amount of evidence and logic behind it. That's my only problem with religious people, really, is that they can't keep it to themselves. I do have a problem with willfull ignorance, but that isn't limited to just religious people.
Back when I was a Christian (lol), I went to this church that made it mandatory for church members to "Preach the word of God" to non-believers every week. Then next week the youth-pastor would be like, "So, how many people did you guys reach out to?"
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