I don't care how many friends I lose over this (Abortion propaganda)

No matter how you state your opinion, it is still simply an opinion. Perception is reality, and hotdog's perception of reality is rather pessimistic, if I do say so

Not that I try to fancy things up any more than they are. Humanity IS interesting, and very well may be a simple by-product of a very complex chain of events that we can only hope to grasp at an understanding of. But, we don't know everything, we can only pretend to know everything, and that doesn't help anyone. Considering all that we DO know, we are not able to definitively make a judgment as to whether or not some things are true or not. Even the relatively few things we DO believe we know to be fact, are only relatively so. Scientific understanding has grown greatly in the last one hundred years alone, but do you know what that also means? Many, many things that humanity "knew" a hundred years ago was wrong. One can only presume that many, many things we "know" now will also be found to be wrong.
How are we supposed to rely on science, the foundation of our modern world, when it has and continues to change it's very nature? People of the past weren't stupid, they just hadn't collaborated and combined as much knowledge as we have by today. So, if people who were not stupid believed in things that were wrong back then, it's perfectly reasonable to suggest that people today who are not stupid may believe in things that will be discovered to be incorrect in the future. How can we state with any confidence that what is "fact" now will continue to be so?

Don't get me wrong, I don't necessarily think that science is wrong. I just don't think that having faith in it is much more logical than having faith in anything else. The principle thing I appreciate about science is the notion of cause and effect, and science is yet to determine an appropriate explanation for where everything came from.

For fun....one of humanities most enduring beliefs is that of the religious realm. Religion, so far as I can tell (judging by what I know of historical discoveries, like ancient hieroglyphics) predates math, writing, and all of the other foundations of science. At the least, one can say that religion, in the base form (everything we know of must have come from some source, whatever it be), is much more stable and consistent than science has been. What we know of atoms, one of the fundamental building blocks of ALL MATTER, has changed drastically in the last 100 years, and don't get me started on the big bang theory.... :-P

Oh no I completely agree with you. I find them interesting. I was just stating how the human mind is raised to think for the majority. It kind of makes me sad.

Of course religion will be more stable than science. The point of science is to explore new realms of possibility and try *new* things. Religion is quite the opposite in terms of that from what I have seen. Thus it would remain quite stable. How can something change when it is not allowed to be explored further or when people won't allow it to change? The bible says something and that's that. You are not open to debate against it. Well you are but most people won't accept it.

And don't get me started on the Big Bang Theory either. I almost said Big Bag Theory. Stupid N key is all messed up.

and don't get me started on the big bang theory.... :-P

Oh God...

Not another one of those. Next I suppose he'll say evolution is just a theory.

But isn't it?

But isn't it?

Are you being facetious?

I'm being completely facetious.

However I do see the merit in calling it a theory. It's just highly UNLIKELY it is not a factual process.

Like I said somewhere before, the word "theory" allows science a valid excuse if God is fucking with our eyes.

But it is a pretty nil argument, seeing as to how the "what if" thought process will never lead to a solid conclusion. The only interpretation of reality I can think of that allows the firmest basis for discussion is the collective group of theories which science has produced to be taken as fact.

to get back on subject....

kill the babies!! and by babies i mean unborn clumps of cells.

The only way to vote pro-abortion is to look at the unborn babies in a scientific way. But for all people that have a religions standpoint, they scream that abortion is wrong. I personally believe that abortion is wrong, because even if the baby is undeveloped, it still has the potential to become something big, and by big, I mean literally and morally.