What do you believe?

I would never believe something if not for reason or evidence.

There's no reason or evidence behind intelligent design.

But oh boy would I love to get into this again.

To add to what I said earlier:

If an intelligent designer created us, he's pathetic. He/she has an innumerable number of failed projects. His successful projects aren't that great either. From an engineering perspective, they are energy inefficient. The designer is absolutely unresourceful, giving us structures that are absolutely pointless to our well-being.

Furthermore, evolution by natural selection is the opposite of intelligent design. Organisms evolved to adapt to their environments. This is a purely natural process. An intelligent designer is not only superfluous, it is irreconcilable with the theory of evolution. We either evolved or were created. You can't have both.

Not that I believe in both, but I don't see why you can't have both? Is it not possible that some supernatural being came up with the system of natural selection?

Is it also impossible that a creator of some sort didn't give us the BEST of everything because it wanted to see how well it's system of natural selection worked and to see how we would go about making things better than they are?

Like I said, I don't believe these things, but I don't see how they're entirely impossible. If I were a supernatural being I could imagine myself doing something similar.

Everything in our universe is a consequence of natural laws. Once you have a replicating molecule, evolution by natural selection is a corollary. It is not impossible that an intelligent designer designed the universe, it's just superfluous. It is just as likely that two parent universes had sex and created our universe.

When you throw together the term intelligent design, it usually adds a lot of baggage. Generally, "macroevolution" is thrown out. Different forms were created by a designer, and then "microevolution" took over. The fossil record unequivocally shows otherwise. This form of intelligent design I would say is impossible.

Even then, who's to say that fossil records are true? Perhaps they were planted by a creator so we would not catch on to their existance.

Once again, I don't believe that, but I do believe that it is absolutely absurd for anyone to say they know any better than anyone else. While your theories are possible, so is every other theory that anyone comes up with, and until we know something for sure, which most likely we never will, your theories are no better than anyone elses.

I will admit that your theories might be more likely, but that does not mean that they are right, or even close to right, and it does not mean that people who have different theories are wrong.

Science goes where the evidence leads. The theories are better because they are based on evidence, nothing else. If the predictions from the theories prove true, then the theory holds. That is the ultimate test. If the predictions are all true, then the the theory is right as far as the natural world is concerned.

The idea that anything is possible is comforting. If you want to believe that, that's your prerogative. But any theory you give serious consideration should be based on the facts, and any superfluous postulates should be removed.

There is an absolute right or wrong. While we may have no way of absolutely ascertaining what is right or wrong, I contend that it is far more absurd to assert a conjecture with no evidence than to assert one backed by evidence.

But how can you verify that your evidence is true? Like I said, it could have been planted by a creator and it could be laughing at you right now because you're foolish enough to think that you actually know anything.


I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance. - Socrates