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Posted 2008-01-23, 03:12 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Interesting topic, so *bump*."
I believe we are all part of a greater conscience and the infinite consciousness our minds are all derived from purpose is realizing it's potential through discovery.

I believe in creation by subtraction.

I believe evolution is intelligent design.

I believe that we are coming into a golden age.

I believe that by changing the physical development of the brain one may perform things we may call impossible. Take autistic savants for example. There has been some research done on the Atlanteans and their skull structure. When their baby's skulls were still malleable they misshaped it with wooden boards. That could solve the mystery of how the pyramids were built. (People possessing the power to manipulate different environmental factors or create such to aid the building process such as magnetic fields below the ground.) If the stem of our consciousness is infinite, and the brain is a filter, it supports these views.

Mostly speculation.
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Posted 2008-01-23, 03:42 PM in reply to Atnas's post starting "I believe we are all part of a greater..."
Atnas said:
I believe we are all part of a greater conscience and the infinite consciousness our minds are all derived from purpose is realizing it's potential through discovery.

I believe in creation by subtraction.

I believe evolution is intelligent design.

I believe that we are coming into a golden age.
I wish I was still young enough to believe things like this.
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Posted 2008-02-01, 05:27 PM in reply to Grav's post starting "I wish I was still young enough to..."
You're never too young to not be dogmatic.

I would never believe something if not for reason or evidence.

As soon as I find a counterexample I will put it aside and search for other answers. I won't dismiss it entirely, as the argument made against it may be disproven later on.
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Posted 2008-02-01, 07:19 PM in reply to Atnas's post starting "You're never too young to not be..."
Why intelligent design, then?
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Posted 2008-02-01, 07:20 PM in reply to Atnas's post starting "You're never too young to not be..."
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I would never believe something if not for reason or evidence.
There's no reason or evidence behind intelligent design.

But oh boy would I love to get into this again.

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Posted 2008-02-01, 11:35 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "There's no reason or evidence behind..."
To add to what I said earlier:

If an intelligent designer created us, he's pathetic. He/she has an innumerable number of failed projects. His successful projects aren't that great either. From an engineering perspective, they are energy inefficient. The designer is absolutely unresourceful, giving us structures that are absolutely pointless to our well-being.

Furthermore, evolution by natural selection is the opposite of intelligent design. Organisms evolved to adapt to their environments. This is a purely natural process. An intelligent designer is not only superfluous, it is irreconcilable with the theory of evolution. We either evolved or were created. You can't have both.
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Posted 2008-02-01, 11:57 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "To add to what I said earlier: If an..."
Not that I believe in both, but I don't see why you can't have both? Is it not possible that some supernatural being came up with the system of natural selection?

Is it also impossible that a creator of some sort didn't give us the BEST of everything because it wanted to see how well it's system of natural selection worked and to see how we would go about making things better than they are?

Like I said, I don't believe these things, but I don't see how they're entirely impossible. If I were a supernatural being I could imagine myself doing something similar.
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Posted 2008-02-02, 12:24 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "Not that I believe in both, but I don't..."
Everything in our universe is a consequence of natural laws. Once you have a replicating molecule, evolution by natural selection is a corollary. It is not impossible that an intelligent designer designed the universe, it's just superfluous. It is just as likely that two parent universes had sex and created our universe.

When you throw together the term intelligent design, it usually adds a lot of baggage. Generally, "macroevolution" is thrown out. Different forms were created by a designer, and then "microevolution" took over. The fossil record unequivocally shows otherwise. This form of intelligent design I would say is impossible.
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