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Posted 2007-09-15, 01:59 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "That was an interesting read."
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That was an interesting read.
Indeed. I partially get the vibe that WW doesn't have time to dedicate to helping get some new things running though, I don't suppose there's a way we could attempt to get him some competent help with the site development?
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Posted 2007-09-15, 02:15 PM in reply to Vollstrecker's post starting "Indeed. I partially get the vibe that..."
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Indeed. I partially get the vibe that WW doesn't have time to dedicate to helping get some new things running though, I don't suppose there's a way we could attempt to get him some competent help with the site development?
Of course nobody is expecting him to work on the forums constantly. I certainly don't have the time to do it either. I also don't have the time to try and convince him to do something, though! I am not trying to come across as overly dramatic here. However, his steadfast reluctance to do almost anything new has pretty much pushed me to the limit of what I can reasonably deal with. It got to the point where I found myself preparing essays to present ideas to him rather than just saying, as I would to any of you, "hey, does this sound like a good idea?" It just became beyond ridiculous and I already knew before I would even say anything that it would be an uphill battle the entire way. When I did get the energy to bring something up, it almost always got shot down, even if it was an easy implement and could be removed if it didn't help. I think the large avatars was the only thing I suggested that he did, but the rules he imposed are not what I had in mind.

We can't bring anyone in because a) there is nobody who would want to work on a forum in this floundering state [and we can't get anybody new here because of his restrictions, catch 22] and b) nobody would be able to decipher the code he's got permeating every aspect of this forum! It functions in a way that only he can understand. This on top of the fact that he hosts zelaron on one of his machines means that he has absolute authority and nothing can get done around here, or at the very least, be attempted.

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Posted 2007-09-15, 02:42 PM in reply to Grav's post starting "Of course nobody is expecting him to..."
Well, I largely meant that if WW is a bit too busy to deal with everything on the forum, explaining some of his custom jobs to an assistant would be a great deal better (with a faster turnaround time) than him doing everything when he gets a chance to.

Of course that wouldn't work if he's as obstinate as those logs suggest, but I never really got that impression from him. I suppose we'll see when he replies to this thread.
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Posted 2007-09-15, 02:44 PM in reply to Vollstrecker's post starting "Well, I largely meant that if WW is a..."
I see where you are coming from, but unfortunately the voice of reason has failed Chruser and I for a long time.

I honestly don't believe anything substantial can be done unless we change servers, even if I or someone else has to pay for it.
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Posted 2007-09-15, 04:33 PM in reply to Grav's post starting "I see where you are coming from, but..."
There's a lot of stuff that I said I wasn't going to do because I just don't have the time. I had hoped that Mantra could take up the code writing/modification, but it seems that he really had no time/desire, either. Why Chrusers claims to have no admin authority, I don't know, either; he has FTP, SSH, and board super admin authority. Also, you didn't post the whole portal convo with Chruser. I agreed to the portal, and actually set it up and did the 8 hours of work to fix its flaws; I just told him we need to come up with stuff to put on it before it goes live.

Also, I've been wanting a new forum style for years, but I'm not an artist, and Chruser has never seemed to have the time to finish designing anything.

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Posted 2007-09-15, 04:43 PM in reply to WetWired's post starting "There's a lot of stuff that I said I..."
I posted what I had. The portal is really just a small part of a larger problem. It does not matter what minor implementations are made over a long period of time, this forum's current state demands large, sweeping changes. And it has for a long time. We just can't get anything accomplished in a fair amount of time when you are behind the wheel. I'm not sure if you are cognizant of this, or if you just don't care.

It's a bit depressing, and I couldn't take it anymore. I may try to start up my own simple project, or maybe work on one with Chruser if he's willing, but Zelaron is out of my hands completely now because you are just too damn stubborn in every respect. Trying to work with you is like repeatedly hitting my head on a wall. You are probably going to ask "what do you want done, then?" It's not even about what gets done. It's the willingness and desire to at least do something, to try something new. The portal, even though it takes a lot of work, is not new. It will not revitalize the forum by itself, because more measures are required. And I can't ever see that sort of progress being made here if you're the only one that can implement them, as it now stands.
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Posted 2007-09-15, 05:31 PM in reply to Grav's post starting "I posted what I had. The portal is..."
Then why not try to find someone else to implement them? I've not had the "my code, noone else can touch" stance for quite some time.

Besides that, from the discussions between Chruser and you, it would seem that Chruser is defering command to me then complaining about it. It's his forums; if he wants to, for example, add adult forums, I'll tell him not to, but there's nothing stopping him from doing it. I'm not going to just stop hosting the forums because I'm not in absoute control.
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