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Posted 2007-03-27, 12:34 AM in reply to Grav's post starting "I already addressed this ..."
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6. Human Artifacts throughout the Geologic Column...Man-made artifacts - such as the hammer in Cretaceous rock, a human sandal print with trilobite in Cambrian rock, human footprints and a handprint in Cretaceous rock – point to the fact that all the supposed geologic periods actually occurred at the same time in the recent past.11
Mostly undocumented claims. Even if they aren't, it doesn't prove much. Minerals in a solution can harden around an intruding object over relatively short periods of time.

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Helium Content in Earth's Atmosphere... Physicist Melvin Cook, Nobel Prize medalist found that helium-4 enters our atmosphere from solar wind and radioactive decay of uranium. At present rates our atmosphere would accumulate current helium-4 amounts in less than 10,000 years.12
Helium is a very light atom, and can reach escape velocity simply through heat.

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Expansion of Space Fabric...Astronomical estimates of the distance to various galaxies gives conflicting data.13 The Biblical Record refers to the expansion of space by the Creator14. Astrophysicist Russell Humphries demonstrates that such space expansion would dilate time in distant space.15 This could explain a recent creation with great distances to the stars.
Humphrey's theory is erroneous in at least 3 ways. First off, it assumes that we're at the bottom of an enormous gravity well, which contradicts evidence. If this were the case, we would notice blue-shifts rather than red-shifts. Secondly, it is based on the earth's frame of reference. Third, it is a well documented fact that our sun is at least a second-generation star. His theory fails to account for the billions of years before the formation of the earth.

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Design in Living Systems...A living cell is so awesomely complex that its interdependent components stagger the imagination and defy evolutionary explanations. A minimal cell contains over 60,000 proteins of 100 different configurations.16 The chance of this assemblage occurring by chance is 1 in 10 4,478,296 .17
It doesn't happen by chance. Even if it did, this is an argument based on the incredulity of the author, which is scientifically irrelevant.

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Design in the Human Brain...The human brain is the most complicated structure in the known universe.18 It contains over 100 billion cells, each with over 50,000 neuron connections to other brain cells.19 This structure receives over 100 million separate signals from the total human body every second. If we learned something new every second of our lives, it would take three million years to exhaust the capacity of the human brain. 20 In addition to conscious thought, people can actually reason, anticipate consequences, and devise plans - all without knowing they are doing so.21
Another argument based on incredulity.

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I heard it somewhere...
Ahh. You heard it somewhere. Incredible place to get your scientific facts.

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What does cloning a human have to do with Lucy... Lucy is clearly a monkey yet people tie it to us...
The point of my paragraph was to grant your argument about dishonesty within the scientific community some credit by giving the example of human cloning but then point out that in this particular case it can not be a factor.

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Like what?
Such as most of post 115 and 116.

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If you cant see that, then you have no idea what you are talking about...
A natural chemical reaction by an organism which is encoded into its DNA is generally not termed an adaption.

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DNA evidence would show some form of connection between everything, I mean we did evolve from the same spot....
IT DOES

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Well, the major difference between early earth and the experiment is that the spark was continuous in the experiment... I really doubt that lightining would ever do that....
The sparks are not continuous in the experiment, nor do they need to be for a chemical reaction to occur.

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It would take alot longer than for the sun's light to do anything useful...
Not really. Most endogenic reactions only require heat. The sun provides plenty of heat.

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I said it with the frog example!
No, you didn't. A population of frogs changing colors is not speciation.

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They tested radiometric dating, it does not accuratly date...
It does. This is CCB. Common Creationist Bullshit.

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I would but God finished creation on the seventh day...
Did he die after that? If not, you can still do what I asked.

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No, that is genetically similar, they are not relatives...
In case you didn't know, relatives are genetically similar.

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Any mutation is a form of evolution... if the animal survives long enough to mate, it will pass its traits on...
Yes, but bad legs are generally not a mutation, and are not heritable.

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You just don't like my answers....
Do you even read what you're responding to? You never gave me any answers about the difference between evidence and proof. And you're right. I don't like most of your answers. They're full of CCB.

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well if there is no missing link there is no transition between anything....
There isn't a perfect fossil record of transition. There is a damn good one though (refer to the John Doe example.). Even if there wasn't, that doesn't mean there wasn't any transition.

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He was talking about the improbibility of the decaying magnetic field, not the other way around...
According to that paragraph he's asserting that the earth's field is decaying, not that it's improbable.

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Well... he said that there is sedimentary deposits in places where it just does not flood...
No...he...didn't...

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Well, sedimentary deposits are found on every continent, but I don't think it floods every where....
I'm fairly sure that it rains everywhere on earth. Furthermore, the earth's environment changes as time progresses.

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Well, what could have stopped the population growth? Flood? What?
This is a more complicated question than I'm prepared to answer at this time.

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Granites are formed of an aggregate of crystals which are molded together without any space between them or which enclose one another. No way gas could seep into the rock and stick around...
Actually it can. I'm too lazy to go into details.
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Posted 2007-03-27, 08:26 AM in reply to Draco's post starting "Let me put it to you as best as I..."
Genetic Mutations. How do Genetic Mutations fit into all of this perfect creation? Surely, if everything was designed perfect, then there would be no genetic mutations along the strand of DNA, right?
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Posted 2007-03-27, 04:50 PM in reply to Lenny's post starting "Genetic Mutations. How do Genetic..."
It'd probably be in the best interest of religion to adapt to science rather than try to fight it fully x_x.
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Posted 2007-03-27, 04:52 PM in reply to Willkillforfood's post starting "It'd probably be in the best interest..."
I don't know... they managed to keep it at bay pretty well during the Dark Ages. But then again, it WAS the Dark Ages. I'd like to see Catholics try and force that upon such a technological world.
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Posted 2007-03-27, 04:58 PM in reply to Lenny's post starting "I don't know... they managed to keep it..."
Well, if China takes over we might have a world purged of mainstream religion x_X.
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Posted 2007-03-27, 04:59 PM in reply to Willkillforfood's post starting "Well, if China takes over we might have..."
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Well, if China takes over we might have a world purged of mainstream religion x_X.
This world would be a lot more peaceful without religions.
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Posted 2007-03-27, 05:00 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "This world would be a lot more peaceful..."
But we'd also have less people to argue at... a much quieter place t'would be.
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Posted 2007-03-27, 05:16 PM in reply to Lenny's post starting "But we'd also have less people to argue..."
Perhaps people could talk about more important things. How often do people go to war over science? There are scientific debates, there are scientists that disagree about things, but they don't go to war over it. I'm not saying the world would be war free without religion, but it would be a much safer and more peaceful place. People claim religion gives people morals as they go and slaughter families in other countries simply because they disagree with them. We're "helping them" by forcing our religion on them.

Unfortunately, religion will never cease to exist.
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Posted 2007-03-27, 07:07 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "This world would be a lot more peaceful..."
I disagree. We will ALWAYS find something to fight about, whether religion or the difference of opinion between and Existentialist and another of a differing philosophical thought.
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Posted 2007-03-27, 10:03 PM in reply to KagomJack's post starting "I disagree. We will ALWAYS find..."
I specifically said that I don't think the world would be war free. The point is, a lot of hate, genocide, and the majority of wars seem to be about religion and about the "make people believe by force feeding them" mentality that most christians seem to have.
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Posted 2007-03-28, 12:09 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I specifically said that I don't think..."
Possibly, but it's hard to tell such things. Look at the Rwanda genocides and you will see a genocide driven not by religion, but by racism. The Holocaust comes to mind as well.
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Posted 2007-03-28, 08:13 AM in reply to KagomJack's post starting "Possibly, but it's hard to tell such..."
I think you're having trouble differentiating between "a lot of" and "all." They are indeed two separate things.
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Posted 2007-03-28, 11:12 AM in reply to Lenny's post starting "Genetic Mutations. How do Genetic..."
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Genetic Mutations. How do Genetic Mutations fit into all of this perfect creation? Surely, if everything was designed perfect, then there would be no genetic mutations along the strand of DNA, right?
Well... acutally the plan was perfect, not the design... Adam and Eve had perfect Genetics, but over time due to Genetic mutations and the pulling of ourselfs out of natural selection(by use of medicine and stuff like that) we slowly corrupted our genetics...
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Posted 2007-03-28, 11:14 AM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "Perhaps people could talk about more..."
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Perhaps people could talk about more important things. How often do people go to war over science? There are scientific debates, there are scientists that disagree about things, but they don't go to war over it.
You don't remember the cold war do you? It was a war of power and technology lead the way... Everyone did and still do want atomic power...
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Posted 2007-03-28, 11:19 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Mostly undocumented claims. Even if..."
I will get back to you on all of this... I just need to find some time to be able to sit down for atleast an hour and reply.... If it looks like I forgot about it, tell me...
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Posted 2007-03-28, 11:32 AM in reply to Draco's post starting "You don't remember the cold war do you?..."
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You don't remember the cold war do you? It was a war of power and technology lead the way... Everyone did and still do want atomic power...
That was mostly a war over power and bragging rights than a war over science, but it was indeed partially a war over science.

Like I said, I don't think the world would be perfect without religion, but it would definately be a big leap closer.
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Posted 2007-03-28, 01:54 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "I think you're having trouble..."
I concur with the fact that "all" and "a lot of" are different things. I just believe that we would still have the same amount of wars, but I believe we may be less likely to nuke the livid fuck out of someone.

With religion, people are looking to initiate Doomsday in what way they can because they want to be free of their mortal shell as well as hasten mankind's judgement, if such a thing will ever happen.
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Posted 2007-03-28, 07:36 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Mostly undocumented claims. Even if..."
Hey, I found a video about a guy who once believed in evolution but after looking at certain animals he realized they don't fit into the evolutionary process... with this one he was looking at a bug called the bombardier beetle...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAFLIPSSU5M

Evolution is so unforgiving, isn't it?
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Posted 2007-03-28, 07:45 PM in reply to Draco's post starting "Hey, I found a video about a guy who..."
I just thought your little quip at the end was worthy of an equally irrelevant rebuttal.

What is more unforgiving: a system which lets the weak fall to the wayside, or a system which dooms the vast majority of its population to eternal suffering?

Hmm...
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Posted 2007-03-29, 08:56 AM in reply to Grav's post starting "I just thought your little quip at the..."
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I just thought your little quip at the end was worthy of an equally irrelevant rebuttal.

What is more unforgiving: a system which lets the weak fall to the wayside, or a system which dooms the vast majority of its population to eternal suffering?

Hmm...
A system that lets the weak fall to the wayside...

atleast the vast majority was given a warning about eternal suffering and yet people ignore it, and the system allows anyone to be pulled away from the eternal suffering(which is the forgivness)...

Hey, did you know that Hitler himself believed in evolution? That was the main reason behind his 'perfect race' of blond haired, blue eyed people... he thought they were the closest to Arian so he started to kill anyone that did not fit the discription... too bad he didn't look in the mirror...
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