OMG WTF BBQ (a discussion of economics between various frontal lobes)

Yes that is the idea of capitalism, but thats precisely why it is flawed. No one starts on a level playing ground, so how is the money you make directly proportional, or proportional at all to the ammount of hard work you put into the equation? The little man is SCREWED in capitalism. Sure, when the system came about, it was all good. But now there's always someone getting a dick in the ass.

You are looking at it from a perspective that is caged within capitalism. This is okay with me, but I think that you should try and look from another perspective. Money, capital accumulation, commodities are all just fetishes of capitalism. Even you see it that some people should get screwed over because they can't make as much money as another person. How does this make sense? Why is that fair? Is this system really the best there is? Just open up your mind to some new thoughts. Working hard to earn merits is just a synonym for being driven by greed. Is that healthy?


Edit- This was in response to sheerx if you couldn't tell.

Working hard to earn merits is just a synonym for being driven by greed. Is that healthy?

Is it healthy NOT to want to do something more with your life? You talk about people being stuck becuase of what their life has given them. (Poor being poor, Rich being rich.) What about equality? Doesn't that mean you are stuck being on the smae level as anyone else? Who wants to go through their life not being able to achieve anything special?

Is it healthy NOT to want to do something more with your life? You talk about people being stuck becuase of what their life has given them. (Poor being poor, Rich being rich.) What about equality? Doesn't that mean you are stuck being on the smae level as anyone else? Who wants to go through their life not being able to achieve anything special?

Of course, you may be seeing it like that since you were raised in a capitalist system where that ambition you mentioned above is strongly advocated. What Penny is trying to say, I believe, is that if you were born in a communist society that you may not see it that way. Equality for all doesn't really sound like a bad deal to me.

Equality for all is bullshit.

Beware the engineers of society, I say, who would make everyone in all the world equal. Opportunity should be equal, must be equal, but achievement must remain individual. - Drizzt Do'Urden

Equality for all is bullshit.

Why do you say that?

Why do you say that?

Because heavy-handed across-the-board equality is an absurd notion. It's perfectly acceptable to present everyone with equal opportunities. That's what we're 'attempting' to do in America with Affirmative Action. The flaw is our biased implementation. Affirmative Action should be applied to everyone if it's going to be useful and not only to certain races.

If you're simply going to give equal circumstances to everyone (not just opportunities), then there's no motivation to contribute to the society that you're a part of. Theoretically, whatever you do, you'll receive the same benefits of any other member of the culture.

Inequality is what pushes us to further heights--to work and improve.

Because heavy-handed across-the-board equality is an absurd notion. It's perfectly acceptable to present everyone with equal opportunities. That's what we're 'attempting' to do in America with Affirmative Action. The flaw is our biased implementation. Affirmative Action should be applied to everyone if it's going to be useful and not only to certain races. If you're simply going to give equal circumstances to everyone (not just opportunities), then there's no motivation to contribute to the society that you're a part of. Theoretically, whatever you do, you'll receive the same benefits of any other member of the culture.

There's not a monetary motivation to contribute to society. Who says that is the only thing that can motivate people?

The whole point is that the money is something that takes on a life of its own and now defines you and everything you do. This is a perfect example, you are gauging worth as earning money. You can do something special, or in other words further your growth as a human being and seek fulfillment in the arts, in the body, or in the mind, whatever you want. Just beacuse you can't earn more money then anyone else does not mean you can't enrich your life.