Heaven und Hell

Um... I never said I was christian number 1. I also never said I believed "Just in case" you cant believe "just incase" and have it mean anything. You have to devote your heart and soul to jesus christ and the lord above.

I am spiritual... I see no reason not to. I mean think about it... If you are athiest and there is an afterlife... You are pretty much fucked. I used to be agnostic but I have proof enough personally that there is someone watching over us. So heaven and hell isnt so far fetched to me.

Um... I never said I was christian number 1. I also never said I believed "Just in case" you cant believe "just incase" and have it mean anything. You have to devote your heart and soul to jesus christ and the lord above.

Well I just go by what you post, that's really the only thing you can go by on a message board, right? You said in your first post that you are only religious because you see no reason not to be. You said Heaven and Hell isn't so far fetched to you, and that [what it seemed from context] the only reason you weren't an atheist because if you were then you'd be screwed. Then in your next post you say that you have to devote your heart and soul to Jesus Christ. Make up your mind; I think you just fear Hell. In any case, you're a contradictory and fraudulent person and obviously need to come to terms with yourself and your own beliefs.

I'm an Atheist.

I don't think Life after Death is possible...but if one or the other existed, then it'd be Hell.

Btw, don't Agnostics go to The Great Perhaps after death?

I agree with the bible has to say, I just hate church, and the people that go to it. You can't just ignore the bible because you are atheist, it has alot of good things to base your life off of. ( not saying anyone ignores it, but I'm sure someone does ) And if not going to church is going to land me in hell, even though I believe in what is good, then God is a douche.

An interesting fact.

There are so many religions or religious sects etc. that say "If you don't believe in our God then you go straight to Hell" that everyone should go straight to Hell therefore meaning Heaven is not needed.

Which is why I said if one or the other exists then it has to be Hell...among other reasons.

Well I just go by what you post, that's really the only thing you can go by on a message board, right? You said in your first post that you are only religious because you see no reason not to be. You said Heaven and Hell isn't so far fetched to you, and that [what it seemed from context] the only reason you weren't an atheist because if you were then you'd be screwed. Then in your next post you say that you have to devote your heart and soul to Jesus Christ. Make up your mind; I think you just fear Hell. In any case, you're a contradictory and fraudulent person and obviously need to come to terms with yourself and your own beliefs.

Still number 1. I never said I was religious. And I never said the reason I believe is because I see no reason not to be. I don't see any reason to not be spiritual but that isnt why I am spiritual. I used to be agnostic, I spent all my time looking for reasons as to why god did not exist, instead of both why and why not. So I was agnostic leaning on the side of atheism. As for fearing hell. I have no reason to. That doesnt even make sense.. It can't support your argument, talk about being contradictory. Lets think about it.

If I fear hell I must believe in heaven and hell correct? Therefore I cannot be athiest.

If I am a believer and I do believe jesus christ died for our sins then I also have no reason to fear hell because there is no possible way I could be denied access to heaven.

To me, it seems you make brash assumptions that are not fully thought out in an attempt to piss off another person who does not agree with your views.

Sorry to say this but... You failed.

::Long Sigh::
To start off you can't fail what you didn't attempt. Secondly, I never said you considered yourself to be atheist. That was obvious from your posts. I said what it sounded like, from your first post, is that you were atheist but you were too afraid to admit it. Then, if you didn't notice, you flurried up trying to defend your belief religious beliefs, as anyone in denial would.

True I said fear of hell, but fear of changing your whole beliefs or trying to contradict family teachings goes right along those lines. Going along the lines of a fear of hell, most people have the fear of no afterlife, that's disturbing to a child who's believed that all their life. As I said I really have no interest in talking to you, so please don't even respond to this post, go find a bible somewhere and pretend to read it. Trying to follow your logic is like trying to follow a blind retarded rat through a maze anyhow.

*Longer sigh* It appears to me that the only thing you are trying to do here is make me mad. Which I was not. There was no flurring up... I simply stated your flawed logic about the fear of hell... Hah... What family teachings. I shall go and PRETEND to read my bible... And I shall go PRETEND to talk with god... And PRETEND to pray. And hopefully you can PRETEND to not be an idiot, my logic is fairly complex so I understand your frustration.

I actually predicted that you'd say "longer sigh," really I did, after all you're the only person queer enough on this message board to do so. Like I said, I have no interest talking to a kid such as yourself. You can keep digging your hole deeper by continuing this fruitless argument, or you could just keep quiet while you're behind.

Admins if you want you can go ahead and remove this thread, this kid's obviously too adamant and stubborn to debate anything. I will respond no further to your pathetic and somewhat childish argument, so I guess you can get your last laugh in if you wish.

::Bows Gracefully::

There's actually quite a few people who'd say: *Longer Sigh* and launch into a rebuttal of the person aboves post. Root through all the old threads where's there's arguments like this one and you'll find similar things to: *sigh* *longer sigh*.

Also you don't have the authority to ask the admins to remove the thread (or the super mods or regular mods for that matter) as it isn't even your thread! It's Kagom's choice, or the mods/super mods/admins choice if the thread gets thrown off topic too much.

I actually predicted that you'd say "longer sigh," really I did, after all you're the only person queer enough on this message board to do so. Like I said, I have no interest talking to a kid such as yourself. You can keep digging your hole deeper by continuing this fruitless argument, or you could just keep quiet while you're behind. Admins if you want you can go ahead and remove this thread, this kid's obviously too adamant and stubborn to debate anything. I will respond no further to your pathetic and somewhat childish argument, so I guess you can get your last laugh in if you wish. ::Bows Gracefully::

Don't ya just love it when arrogant pricks show up?

I have alot more to say. But it seems that you are trying to end the discussion (Not argument) because you have nothing to add to it. If that is the case, it is fine by me but DON'T EVER act like you are better than someone else, or degrade them, because their views are different from yours and you are too close minded to understand them.