Darth Sidious vs. Dante

Jedi are powerful compared to us, but they aren't at high-tier anime power level, or at Dante's exaggerated level, most likely.

Neo manipulated the outside world too.

Besides, in the Matrix, a jedi would have no chance whatsoever against Neo. He's the uber.

You forget that Jedi live after death so I guess they would win even if they lost.

And Dante just lives..no death. I guess he'd live no matter what happened to him...

Good argument, Sen. Of course, Palpatine is not restricted to just sending back Dante's feeble bullets. He has Force Lightning, Force insight, granting him the power to see his opponent's move(s), a lightsaber which can cut through all materials (except the Vong's snake-staffs, but that's not important here), and of course, the power to simply send any and all materials flying at Dante. If Palpatine caught Dante in a room full of boulders, it be over. And, if Dante could survive endless attacks from boulders slamming into his head, then maybe Palpatine can't win.

Dante could never get close to Palpatine. There's no way he could get in, past the Lightning and debris flying at him, while avoiding a lightsaber.

If Sidiosu should fall, the Jedi Master will take over for him and destroy Dante.

Good argument, Sen. Of course, Palpatine is not restricted to just sending back Dante's feeble bullets. He has Force Lightning, Force insight, granting him the power to see his opponent's move(s), a lightsaber which can cut through all materials (except the Vong's snake-staffs, but that's not important here), and of course, the power to simply send any and all materials flying at Dante. If Palpatine caught Dante in a room full of boulders, it be over. And, if Dante could survive endless attacks from boulders slamming into his head, then maybe Palpatine can't win. Dante could never get close to Palpatine. There's no way he could get in, past the Lightning and debris flying at him, while avoiding a lightsaber. If Sidiosu should fall, the Jedi Master will take over for him and destroy Dante.

A Lightsaber is basically... High energy Plasma+Force in a blade form. It cannot cut through another lightsaber or force field, while it can destroy most solid objects, not even all.

What is force lightning? Well... just some lightnings shot by a Dark Force user, which can be blocked. Not as powerful as it sounds now.

Can a lightsaber cut through Dante's weapon? Most probably not. What are Dante's weapon, really? They are not something in the material realm. In DMC3, Dante's weapons are originally demons, but transformed into the shape of a weapon (hence the name Devil Arm). They certainly are more than just solid objects. In DMC1, the Alastor and Ifrits have wills have their own before they meet Dante. And Sparda (the weapon) is basically the embodiment of Sparda's demonic power.

Each of his Devil Arms have a different power. The Rebellion has a magical essence (dark), Ceberus is ice, Agni&Rudra is Wind and Fire, Nevan is Lightning, Beowulf is Light. And, Sparda is Dark, Ifrits is Fire, Alastor is Lightning.

Also, you have underestimated Dante's Firearms. The shots are magically imbued, at least, the charged shots are (from its description). The Nightmare Beta and Artemis certainly have a magical essence to them.

And still, there is the Royal Guard. If Dante can block something more than 10 times his size, charging at him at full speed... I don't see what boulders would do to him. And even without Royal Guard, there is Quicksilver/Bangle of Time which allows Dante to manipulate the flow of time.

Then there is the argument of The Force being powerful... but you can't simply ignore Dante's demonic force.

First off, there is no way this Royal Guard is as powerful as you've said. If this is the case, then it's an item they put in the game so you could frickin' God-Mode. It has to have some limit or side-effect.

Secondly, Force Lightning is an attack that is blockable, but how would Dante block it? He's never seen an attack like this. It's kinda like the Sigma argument. Sigma hasn't got defense against Mana and Dante doesn't have defense against the Force because he's never fought an oppoenent before with the power.

Third, a lightsaber might not be able to cut through Dante's weapons, but could Dante's weapons destroy it? I don't think so. So, we're left with they can both defend against each other. Now, Palpatine has the advantage of being able to see the future. Does Dante have that skill? Now, I'm not saying that Palpatine is invincible in a duel, but it gives him the edge.

Finally, Palpatine can use items to block the bullets as well.

Of course, there's always the good old tossing of the lightsaber, with Force-guided accuracy. Then, he can pull it back.

I'm not sure about this one.

First off, there is no way this Royal Guard is as powerful as you've said. If this is the case, then it's an item they put in the game so you could frickin' God-Mode. It has to have some limit or side-effect. Secondly, Force Lightning is an attack that is blockable, but how would Dante block it? He's never seen an attack like this. It's kinda like the Sigma argument. Sigma hasn't got defense against Mana and Dante doesn't have defense against the Force because he's never fought an oppoenent before with the power. Third, a lightsaber might not be able to cut through Dante's weapons, but could Dante's weapons destroy it? I don't think so. So, we're left with they can both defend against each other. Now, Palpatine has the advantage of being able to see the future. Does Dante have that skill? Now, I'm not saying that Palpatine is invincible in a duel, but it gives him the edge. Finally, Palpatine can use items to block the bullets as well. Of course, there's always the good old tossing of the lightsaber, with Force-guided accuracy. Then, he can pull it back. I'm not sure about this one.

Actually, no. Royal Guard is for expert players, just like Issen in Onimusha (Instant Killing normal enemy + Completely dodge their attacks, and in a Boss case, doing Critical damage and completely dodging the attack).

It is a new thing in DMC3, but it is for sure legit. The "God Mode" is Super Dante, which isn't as powerful as simply using Royal Guard, but Super Dante requires no skill to use. (While you will need to get the timing for Royal Guard)

If you say Dante has never seen lightning... oh well. From my understanding of Force Lightning, it is essentially a purely energy-based Lightning used by the Sith. The greater force the user pocesses, the greater the power of the lightning. I can assure you that Dante has a lot of experience with lightning... His weapon Nevan is the embodiment of a lightning based demon, and in his Air Raid, he can summon Lightning with his demonic power.

The same argument can be said about how the Emperor has no experience against Demonic power. This is what happens when you compare two characters from different realm.

Being able to see the future doesn't mean he could change it. If an attack can't be blocked or dodged, seeing it coming won't mean too much... except you could prepare to get hit by it. With Royal Guard's Just-Guard and Just-Release... nothing will stop Dante.

In the game, the only thing Royal Guard could not block is some stationary acid that does minor damage. It can block everything else - Bomb Explosion, Physical Attack (Sword, Scythe, Punch, Kick), Magical Attack (Light Volcano, Lightning, Fire, Ice, Arrows, Bullets, Rocket, Missiles...

Is there a weakness in this? Yes, it requires timing. You could argue that it is not easy to "perfectly" block an attack if someone has never seen it before, but Royal Guard can be performed as simply Defend, and it will reduce the damage by a huge amount. Some ultra powerful could break this normal defend, but you wouldn't want to count on that to happen.

Yeah,even though Dante has gun's Sidious/Palpatine would beat the crap out of Dante.

Dante's firearms are not his main power. His Devil Arms, and the demonic power in him are his power. Guns are only super useful when charged (DMC1) or when he's in Gunslinger Style (DMC3) or... well, guns=win in DMC2.

Any ideas what he'll be like in DMC4?? More moves for one, more weapons, greater power...he'll definitely beat Palpatine into a messy pulp then...

Actually a lightsaber CAN cut through another lightsaber. In the books, a clear(I believe) lightsaber can cut through otehr lightsabers and much more. It is the ultimate lightsaber.

This would be a pretty close and long battle. To super strong people, each with awsome powers. A draw.

Sideous wood so win, he has both darth vader and like a billion storm troopers to back him up, pluz he has that whole mind trick thing so he could maybe get dante to beat on himself some

This isn't a brawl, buddy. It's one on one.

Also, mind trick only works on the weak minded. I don't think Dante falls into that category.

i dont know dante iz kinda just one track minded like its all bout killing, and darth sidious iz seriously powerful , he bitch slapped yoda remember so maybe he kood pull the mind trick

That fight ended with no clear winner. If Palpatine had truely triumphed, Yoda would have been killed. It was a draw, and Yoda was ashamed so he went into exile.

Also, for the love of god, PLEASE try to spell things correctly. It makes reading posts so much easier.

I think we should get the translators back up and running...

Mantralord my good man!! Translate!!


Sidious would never be able to pull a mind trick on Dante.

If you think about it, Sidious is a man with a power, yet still just a man. Dante is the son of a demon! He's half-man half-demon.