Question: How did the universe begin?

WetWired is right.

If I had a choice between the God created life, or eveolution, I would choose evolution. There is more eveidence that we did evolve from apes, than God creating two people who gave birth to others etc. Anyway, I have noticed, that in the bible, it doesn't say where the women came from to allow Cain or Abel to reproduce. Which means that technically, the line should have died at Cain or Abel, unless God created more people - a big thing for the bible to miss if it happened, no?

A bit off topic, but on the same lines - e.g creation was a miracle by God.
Well, I'm gonna have to sink my own boat here and put this link up - Scientists looking for God.

http://www.mult-sclerosis.org/news/J...cleMSCure.html

If I had a choice between the God created life, or eveolution, I would choose evolution. There is more eveidence that we did evolve from apes, than God creating two people who gave birth to others etc. Anyway, I have noticed, that in the bible, it doesn't say where the women came from to allow Cain or Abel to reproduce. Which means that technically, the line should have died at Cain or Abel, unless God created more people - a big thing for the bible to miss if it happened, no? A bit off topic, but on the same lines - e.g creation was a miracle by God. Well, I'm gonna have to sink my own boat here and put this link up - Scientists looking for God. http://www.mult-sclerosis.org/news/J...cleMSCure.html

i dont think the bible missed anything with the cain and able thing. it said adam and eve were the first, not the only. there may have been 1 billion people created the very next day, that has no signifgance to the story so why include it. the bible says nothing about chocolate milk either but i sure know that exists!!!!!!!!!

also there is no reason to chose God created life OR evolution. the two go hand in hand. it is impossible to have evolution without God. it is impossible to have the big bang without God. i explained why it goes back to an original conscious will, unrestrained and creative to have logic exist and also to be the alpha of all things. to have the faith that a big bang just existed without anything causing it is a bigger leap than to believe God caused it and far more obsurd. mainly because it is going against the scientific law that i stated, and wetwired reitterated more efficiently, basically none of that could happen unless acted on from outside.
evidence, solid, that an outside will exists. i dont think there is much more to debate beyond that. the details are only cosmetic to our main arguments. im glad at no point did this become and argument in that sense, so far the arguments in the litteral sense braught up were very good on both sides and interesting!

Ehm, I think that the Bible said that Cain and Abel were the sons of Adam and Eve, as I seem to remember something about Eve loving Abel more for his gentle nature, but I may be mixing in some Joseph... I don't really care, it's been years since I read any of that.

Also:

it is impossible to have evolution without God.

Last I checked, Satan caused the world to evolve, by triggering the banishment of Adam and Eve from Eden. Had they not eaten of the Forbidden Fruit, they would still be ignorant and happy in Eden.

to have the faith that a big bang just existed without anything causing it is a bigger leap than to believe God caused it and far more obsurd

If God exists, why would he define a codified set of Laws (Physics), create a Big Bang, and whatnot rather than merely Create the world as the Bible says? Obviously, the Bible is wrong in the sense of God creating the world, and earlier versions even told of Him setting the stars and Sun to rotate around the Earth as a symbol for His love for us. Obviously, that's not the case, and that was removed lest people lose faith.

basically none of that could happen unless acted on from outside. evidence, solid, that an outside will exists.

I can turn that right around and ask what outside force brought about the existence of God? If you say, "He's always existed", I will ask, "Why couldn't Matter have always existed?". All things have a beginning. Even as I think Wilma said about the donut, sure it would work, but how did the donut start? We're just going to be going around in circles forever.

Go Voll. Stick it to him......OK I'll kinda shutup now.

Anyway, apparently, the Universe is infinite (yet expanding, what???) so that means there cannot be anything outside, the inner, as it were, being infinite and filling up the infinite space if there were an outside. .'. The cannot be an outside...thing creating order in the Universe. Also, God must have been outside the Universe if he were to create it, as if it didn't exist, he couldn't be inside to create it, but he couldnt be outside even, as there is, as I have stated, no outside. But that then brings about the question, if there is no outside, then how could there be an inside, and if there is neither, why us?

I usually get round the latter question by going crazy and saying: You are all figments of my imagination. But then some smart-alec always comes up with: And you're a figment of our imagination. So......

Anyway, apparently, the Universe is infinite (yet expanding, what???)

The universe itself isn't expanding, just everything in it is moving outwards to the "edges", or so the theory says.

Ah, but what edges? It's infinite, right?