non ww melee assassin build

ok i wasnt really looking to the gores for the cb and deadly strike i was going for the open wounds because with gores and razors edge ill have 60% OW which is pretty good for as fast as i am hitting, and what about bursts of speed why only one it in? i can see what you are talking about dragon flight only needing one becuase of the delay and the chance to block. also have you tried out venom becuase at lvl 20 it is not really much psn damage at all, only 425-445 which can easily be negated to pretty much nothing after the pvp penalty and decent resist, and i still am not sure that it works with dragon talon at least not visably unless i missed something. also this is for east ladder so it will be much cheaper to get a pair of gores and a lem and ko to up them then to get a pair of shadow dancers, and grand charms are out of the question too for a little while, and since i now wont have so many points into dragon flight i could go for fade now.

ok i wasnt really looking to the gores for the cb and deadly strike i was going for the open wounds because with gores and razors edge ill have 60% OW which is pretty good for as fast as i am hitting, and what about bursts of speed why only one it in? i can see what you are talking about dragon flight only needing one becuase of the delay and the chance to block. also have you tried out venom becuase at lvl 20 it is not really much psn damage at all, only 425-445 which can easily be negated to pretty much nothing after the pvp penalty and decent resist, and i still am not sure that it works with dragon talon at least not visably unless i missed something. also this is for east ladder so it will be much cheaper to get a pair of gores and a lem and ko to up them then to get a pair of shadow dancers, and grand charms are out of the question too for a little while, and since i now wont have so many points into dragon flight i could go for fade now.

in dtalon the venom damg is not shown in the char stats screen, but IT IS APPLIED, as for deadly strike im not enitrely sure about it working, up'ed gores are good alternatives to shadow dancers, shadow dancers are more along the lines for pub dueling as gores for the cb vs melee char where vit is an abundance thus making it more effective than simple + skills, but it MAINLY depends on ur gear setup, as for a simple way to boost venom would be tang gloves, if u feel the poisen is too weak try trang gloves if u dont like the damg go lvl up and get a pair of draculs, OW is more over the lines of supplementary damg(OW isnt everything) where as razor's edge is ezly beaten by bartucs, everything on bartucs adds to dtalon and venom and more domg physical and poisen.

OT btw: tidus since when was i deemed zelarons pvp expert?? if i am i want the title to show, if not ill go back to a reading state etc
EDIT: voll. i await ur input :P

voll. i await ur input :P

It sounds like it would work, but I noticed a lack of Deadly Strike with your first gear selection. Do you think swapping out your Mara's for a Highlords + dropping a "Lo" in your 'Tucs would detract in any way?

It sounds like it would work, but I noticed a lack of Deadly Strike with your first gear selection. Do you think swapping out your Mara's for a Highlords + dropping a "Lo" in your 'Tucs would detract in any way?

sounds like it would?? lol... go build ur charge up asn and build mine and see the results for ur self lolololololol....... deadly strike as far as i kno has NOT been confirmed to work but i have to wait on diabloii.net b4 choosing Lo to be pur into tucs other wise a + 15-30max damg /ias jewel would help boost physical damg, if DS does infact work then i see no obejection to use ds but if u are think of using razors edge, then no i wouldnt care for that kind damg vs verstility where as tucs happen to have.

ok well i consider you zelarons pvp expert and that counts for a lot i think that you would make a good mod for the pvp forum since apoq left. and if i use claw block i will go for the tucs because on the summit I found a nice little formula for kick damage but it doesnt really mean a whole lot to me cuz i dont feel like thinking about it right now, but from what i can see right from the start is that dex and str are input into which is nice because bartucs give both not to mention that with claw blocking i could block hammers bone spirits and i have even heard that it blocks fohs too.
Kick Damage
MinDamage=(str+dex-20)/4)*(100+skill_bonus)/100 + BootMinDam*(100+str*StrBonus/100+skill_bonus)/100
MaxDamage=(str+dex-20)/3)*(100+skill_bonus)/100 + BootMaxDam*(100+str*StrBonus/100+skill_bonus)/100

also i am still waiting for an answer about why so little in burst of speed, is it because it requires little ias to reach the max kick rate?

ok well i consider you zelarons pvp expert and that counts for a lot i think that you would make a good mod for the pvp forum since apoq left. and if i use claw block i will go for the tucs because on the summit I found a nice little formula for kick damage but it doesnt really mean a whole lot to me cuz i dont feel like thinking about it right now, but from what i can see right from the start is that dex and str are input into which is nice because bartucs give both not to mention that with claw blocking i could block hammers bone spirits and i have even heard that it blocks fohs too. Kick Damage MinDamage=(str+dex-20)/4)*(100+skill_bonus)/100 + BootMinDam*(100+str*StrBonus/100+skill_bonus)/100 MaxDamage=(str+dex-20)/3)*(100+skill_bonus)/100 + BootMaxDam*(100+str*StrBonus/100+skill_bonus)/100 also i am still waiting for an answer about why so little in burst of speed, is it because it requires little ias to reach the max kick rate?

i had those forumlas in my "destroying charge up discussion post"" with all the + skills and tucs being -30 base wsm max fpa dtalon is aquired (as well as J talon)

edit: btw where is Kuja?? havent seen him for a while

edit: btw where is Kuja?? havent seen him for a while

Kuja quit.

I wasn't saying my charge-up Assassin build was better than your kicker...

I was just saying that Deadly Strike might be an improvement on it, as I believe it does still work.
There wouldn't really be any reason to use Razor's Edge, as Highlords at a decent level + Lo would give you your 50% DS cap.

I may be the D2 Mod, and I may know a bit about the game, but I will NEVER say I know everything. For instance, I wasn't aware Weapon Block would block those skills.

Besides, a Mod is mostly someone there to keep the peace, make sure the rules are obeyed, and to know a bit about the game. I just try to be helpful as well. If someone turns up something better, I have no problems with that, and will even admit someone turned out a better build.