ok i wasnt really looking to the gores for the cb and deadly strike i was going for the open wounds because with gores and razors edge ill have 60% OW which is pretty good for as fast as i am hitting, and what about bursts of speed why only one it in? i can see what you are talking about dragon flight only needing one becuase of the delay and the chance to block. also have you tried out venom becuase at lvl 20 it is not really much psn damage at all, only 425-445 which can easily be negated to pretty much nothing after the pvp penalty and decent resist, and i still am not sure that it works with dragon talon at least not visably unless i missed something. also this is for east ladder so it will be much cheaper to get a pair of gores and a lem and ko to up them then to get a pair of shadow dancers, and grand charms are out of the question too for a little while, and since i now wont have so many points into dragon flight i could go for fade now.