Round 2! Bowser vs. Sephiroth

Arena: Stygian Depths - A multi-level cavern, flooded with molten lava and fire. Rocks jut out of the magma at varying heights creating platforms of different widths and shapes. The cavern is completely enclosed, with large stalactites hanging from the 175 foot "ceiling." Caverns wind in and out of the main chamber, shaky rope bridges are suspended at varying height intervals, and one large circular platform (about 50 feet in diameter) is suspended by chains about 50 feet below the ceiling of the main cavern.

In the Red Corner, armed with devastating fire breath, a body covered in lethal spikes and an extremely repetitive tendency to kidnap the same damned Princess every friggin' game! The King of the Koopas, the brutish dinosaur, from the Mario Series: Bowser!!!

In the Blue Corner, equipped with the fearsome Masamune, an extensive repertoire of destructive magic and the most violent mommy-complex since Norman Bates! The One-Winged Angel, the son of Jenova, from Final Fantasy 7: Sephiroth!!!

As the infernal flames of the Stygian pit rise around the center platform, our two combatants emerge from either end. The tyrant lizard king, flame dripping from his razor-toothed maw shakes the ground with each fearsome step. The katana-wielding angel of death, black cloak flowing behind him, steps gracefully to the stone platform and prepares himself for the opening attack. Their hate-soaked eyes lock together as the magma-filled cavern boils and rumbles around them. Both wait in anticipated silence, glare steadied on each other, waiting for the most minute of movements. A single drop of sweat slides down the face of the human contender, the lizard king breaks the standoff and charges and our battle begins...

I wonder... I have no real favorites here. Bowser, I guess I'll stick with.

So, lava. This is like the second time you fight him in Mario 64. Sephiroth can do more than grab Bowser's tail, but Bowser's power tactics can help him here.

He needs only jump, or perhaps just use his tail and the arena would start rolling around or perhaps breaking off and falling into the magma. Sure, Sephiroth could simply levitate, but then he's open for a giant burst of fire from Bowser's mouth. Sephiroth needs time to fly at Bowser to hit him with his Massamune, or he needs time to focus his magic. Bowser would use this time to simply do the actions listed above.

Perhaps, Sephiroth could just start by flying as Bowser, without standing on the rock. However, Bowser could simply charge. Or, breathe fire. A full attack by Bowser would be too much for Seph to take. Breathing fire would cause Seph to dodge and take time
to finally reach Bowser. Even then, couldn't Bowser simply reach out and swat the pesky fly?

Also, couldn't he teleport? Been along time since I played it and I didn't like it too much, so...

I don't know much about Bowser, but I wouldn't expect him to be the most agile opponent. Also, the Masamune is primarily a dragon slaying sword, so wouldn't this match pretty much be over before it started?

Owned?

Owned?

No.

Sephiroth needs to get near him. I think that makes sense. Perhaps I'm just being weird, but a sword needs to be near the opponent before it can cause damage. Or, Sephiroth could throw it. In which case, Bowser could merely jump in the air, over it. At the same time, he could breahte fire down on Seph.

Still, his power to make the ground uneven and break it apart is a great advantage. This makes it hard if not impossible for Seph to attack him on foot. Therefor, he'd resort to flying at Bowser. A quick breath of three fire balls that will follow Seph or a giant blast of fire, would certainly convince Sephiroth to back off.

If he resorts to magic, it will take time. Bowser can jump to where he is(or teleport if he has the power) and knock Seph's head in. Even if Seph does get off a spell, Bowser's jumping power would definately help in him avoiding it.

The magma below is a factor. I don't know if Bowser would die if falling into it, but Seph most certainly would. That's where Bowser's power to "shake up" the arena comes in handy. One false step and he's falling to his death. And if he tries to fly upward, Bowser could blast him with some more fire breath.

Bowser's arsenal is severely limitted, but effective.

Also, the Masamune is primarily a dragon slaying sword, so wouldn't this match pretty much be over before it started?

Psst...Bowser isn't a dragon. He's a Koopa, which is closer to a turtle than a dragon. Dragon-slaying swords would have no extra effect on him.

Hell, swords period don't have much effect on him. The Master Sword doesn't do him all that much damage.

Kuja`s, I honestly hope you have more tactics than some lazy, half-assed "He'll breathe fire balls if he does that, and 3 if he does that, and another when he tries that! So hah!" Once Sephiroth realizes that Bowser is only going to jump and spit fire, other tactics would surely come to mind.

Not all of Seph's magic spells take this long, drawn out process to cast as you are speculating, only Meteor really does. Just because in game cinematics are used when a spell is casted, doesn't mean that is how long it is taking for the spell to be cast. If you notice, no one's attack meter goes up during these times, which means that instead of just having this spell hit, they are slowing down the whole process and showing the player the origins of how the spell is working, which is aesthetically pleasing for gamers.

I'm sure it is the same for Lightning spells; If they really wanted, they could probably show clouds whirling above in the sky, and the energy of actual lightning being drawn into the hands of the caster, but we already that something like that is probably happening, so why bother slow the game down that much. However, with spells like Holy, Flare, Ultima, etc. not everyone is going to know what the fuck they really are, so a little introduction to them is necessary. If you notice, there are many spells in the game that have a long cinematic when it is first shown in the game, then a significantly shortened synapse thereafter.

Sorry for the long speel, I'm just trying to show that Seph's magic would certainly be a factor, just not every spell. And it would certainly be just as affective, if not more than any lame ass fire ball Bowser would pansily spit at Seph..

Sephiroth's Power
Bolt3-All, Fire3-All, Ice3-All, Massamune slash, Shadow Flare, Stigma, Pale Horse(status changer and damage), Demi3, Supernova, Bizarro Energy(restorative magic in Bizarro Sephiroth form), Wall No Holy(obviously), Ultima(I'm pretty sure) or Flare in his arsenal. Ultimately, Shadow Flare is far more powerful.

I don't see it. Sephiroth needs time to cast all these spells, but in battle, there is nowhere to run. You have to stay there and get hit by it. Bowser is not restricted by these laws. While Seph needs the time to gather his strengh(even if its only for 3 seconds) Bowser can simply move. Despite his size, his power allows him to move a long distance in one very high jump. The impact of him hitting the ground would undoubtedly shake it and Seph up a bit. The distance between them could be covered by Bowser in seconds. Seph mayb ecould get off one spell before Bowser reached him. And then what? Would one Ice3 spell kill Bowser? Could Stigma destroy the giant that is Bowser? Not likely.

After that one spell attempt by Seph, Bowser to knock his head in. Or, breath those 3, short fire breathes that produce 3 fireballs that proceed to follow the person there aimed at until they hit, or are deflected some how.

Wall would be advantagous to Seph. A physical and magic barrier is a good trick. But, it doesn't save him from getting hurt some, like a bulletproof vest. Bowser could knock away the area Seph is standing upon, and Seph could attempt to fly away. However, ojne quck swhipe of Bowser's arm or tail, or even a fire blast could send Seph flying backward. He may not be killed by the blow, but it would cause him some damage as well as getting him off his feet.

Sephiroth would need his speed and strength for this battle. A magic approach isn't reasonable. Sephirtoh's physical power is alot more impressive than his magic. Just fly around and swing his sword. That's also a simple plan, but like my plan for Bowser, it is very effective.

bowser is like a walking tank, no physical attacks can really hurt him..so the sword is useless.

Psst...Bowser isn't a dragon. He's a Koopa, .

Hmmm, No I think Kuja is right, he is a dragon. I remember because me and my brother spent about 2 years playing super mario64 just for fun. That game was so kickass.

Zagggon....Bowser is most definately a Koopa. Raziel is flawless, but he is correct here. Sure, he's not a dragon, but his skills are undeniable. His brute strength can overwhelm Seph's magic.

Raziel, please step in. You know more than me. You could probably reduce my arguement to something seems stupid, insane and pathetically funny. I know too little about Bowser. I know far more about Sephiroth.

I would have to take sephiroth on this one, because you all say that, "Oh, when Bowser gets to Sephiroth, he'll moitalize him.", and "His Brute strength will easily win this fight.", but no one realizes what they are saying. WHEN he reaches Seph, and IF he can get in close to Seph to use his brute strength. Sephiroth is by FAR the smarter of the 2 combatants. He would easily measure up his competition, and attack accordingly. And the magic would be the best, because not in one game are you haveng to dodge attacks while casting magic, but nothing says you have to stay stationary either. And, incase you haven't noticed, Sehphiroth is fast enough to dodge Bowser and kill him. His Sword is a MAJOR factor. Raziel stated, Bowser is not a Dragon, he is a Koopa, and is actually more closely related to turtles, than dragons. Now, tell me how many Turtles have you heard of that hace withstanded a blow from a sword, let alone one that is made for destroying life itself. I think Bowser is a great warrior, and he would put up a great fight, but based on the grounds that the arena is in a cave with lava, it only matters who gets knocked into the lava. And yes, the lava does hurt Bowser, because, if I remember correctly, that is how you kill him in Super Mario 64. If Mario can beat the King of Koopas using the knowledge he has as a plumber, then you don't think a master of death could find a way to do the same? Come on, Sephiroth has this one won. Bowser, would just have to wait until next tournament, one without Sephiroth, to be the winner. Sorry Bowser.

It has been a really long time since i have played FFVII but if i remember right when you are starting out as cloud and are fighting along side Sephiroth he does an insane amount of damage to the creatures that are attacking the town with his sword. his regular attacks do alot of damage and i dont remember him getting hit by the creatures. so what i am trying to say is that while bowser maybe able to jump high and cover long distances does it really matter, because if you think about it if right before bowser lands Sephiroth jumps wouldnt he jump over the shock wave? also i have not read the rules for this melee but if materia is allowed couldnt Sephiroth just have Phinox equiped? i remember that i had it equip on Cloud along with another materia and it auto cast when i died and brought me back to life.

Or on a side note what if sephiroth could some how escape from the arean and go kill Princess Peach in the same manner that he kills Areis? then what would bowser do he would probably have a mental break down similar to Clouds and the fight would be over and there would be no more Mario games because bowser would have no purpose for life.

There is no materia allowed, just natural spells and attacks that can be learned.

I still think Sephiroth would own him hard.

For the mercy of God and even Satan! Let it die!

October 20-November 17?! Just give up!

This thread sucks.

well it might die if there was ever a decesion made.

I'm calling this shit. Go to the bracket thread to see the results..