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Posted 2007-02-11, 08:24 PM
I have realized over the years that evolution has as much a chance of happining as a grain of sand becoming as rare as gold.
There are so many flaws in the whole thing its not even funny.... first of all it is directly attached to the "Big Bang Theroy" which has even more flaws...
Now evolution is understood to take many thousands of years right... so if a lizard begain to grow wings the scales on its legs would grow out and get longer, but since scales are heavier than feathers woulden't that evolutionary critter get eaten(natural selection)? I mean the longer scales would cause problems making the lizard slower and an easier target for its predators...

The big bang theroy states that all the matter in the universe came to gether to a spot in the universe and came to gether to form a super dense and hot ball of mass alot smaller than the size of earth..... first of all the only thing that could possibly bring matter together like that is a black hole or a massive star... things just dont come together on their own.... now a black hole would destroy the matter and the star would just use the matter as fuel ... even if some how it did come together it would need alot of energy to fuse to gether.... the fusion would use up alot of energy and cause the matter to become a different element; it has been shown that any element fused like that would last only a few miliseconds and would break apart becoming individual atoms and elements (not explode)...
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Posted 2007-02-11, 08:44 PM in reply to Draco's post "Evolution is Impossible...."
-Evolution is not directly attached to the Big Bang Theory

-Evolutionary processes such as dinosaurs turning into birds take millions of years, not thousands, if a lizard with wings existed, it would still be able to survive as a lizard. Slowly and over time it would have a lighter body and then eventually be capable of flight with hollow bones. A lot of the steps involved with evolution are genetic accidents, such as hollow bones, and those accidents either flourish or die

-Big Bang Theory is pretty much garbage anyway, modern science still doesn't know nearly enough about our universe to make such theories with any sort of accuracy

-Just because something is far more intricate than you can understand, and requires probability that you cannot fathom, does not mean it's impossible


I'd say you're mostly talking out of your arse on this one

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Posted 2007-02-11, 08:58 PM in reply to Draco's post "Evolution is Impossible...."
I would love to argue, but you just ignant plus Grav already said it
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Posted 2007-02-11, 10:42 PM in reply to Draco's post "Evolution is Impossible...."
lawl... what a moron... or bot?
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What is it they say about silence being golden?
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Posted 2007-02-11, 11:44 PM in reply to Medieval Bob's post starting "lawl... what a moron... or bot?"
Bot 2.0.

This one forms readable sentences!
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Posted 2007-02-12, 12:11 AM in reply to Medieval Bob's post starting "lawl... what a moron... or bot?"
Bots don't complain about not being able to register their score for the arcade...
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Posted 2007-02-12, 06:07 AM in reply to WetWired's post starting "Bots don't complain about not being..."
Haha! Maybe it's a clever bot?

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Just to add one thing to Gravs post in reply to Draco's:

- Matter cannot be destroyed or created, it just changes state. So what does it matter if it is swallowed whole by a Black Hole, or used as fuel by a star? It's still there.
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Posted 2007-02-12, 08:07 AM in reply to Lenny's post starting "Haha! Maybe it's a clever bot?..."
Lenny said:
Haha! Maybe it's a clever bot?

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Just to add one thing to Gravs post in reply to Draco's:

- Matter cannot be destroyed or created, it just changes state. So what does it matter if it is swallowed whole by a Black Hole, or used as fuel by a star? It's still there.
A black hole turns matter into energy, a star would place the matter into its fusion process and keep it untill it dies.
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Posted 2007-02-12, 08:34 AM in reply to Draco's post "Evolution is Impossible...."
el oh el
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Just ask the married chick he fucked.

Who Delivers ten times out of ten?
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Posted 2007-02-12, 09:38 AM in reply to MightyJoe's post starting "el oh el"
Hay guyz guess what god made me not evolutionisms it makes so much more sense guyz that god made me and he made america powerful kekeke

p.s. have faith guyz!

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Posted 2007-02-12, 10:13 AM in reply to Medieval Bob's post starting "lawl... what a moron... or bot?"
look whose talkin he's not the one with a half naked dude as his profile pic!!!
Leave Draco alone he posted an opinion not a bash fest!!!!!!!!
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Posted 2007-02-12, 10:49 AM in reply to Grav's post starting "-Evolution is not directly attached to..."
If you look at it, you cannot have one with out the other... If one falls it begins to support divine intervention ie. God
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Posted 2007-02-12, 11:46 AM in reply to Draco's post starting "If you look at it, you cannot have one..."
No it doesn't. There is no evidence at all for it. If you believe you have evidence, by all means, post it.
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Posted 2007-02-12, 11:56 AM in reply to KagomJack's post starting "No it doesn't. There is no evidence at..."
Oh for fucks sake... another Bible Basher.
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Posted 2007-02-12, 11:58 AM in reply to Lenny's post starting "Oh for fucks sake... another Bible..."
Of for fucks sake... another Lenny post.
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Posted 2007-02-12, 12:03 PM in reply to Lenny's post starting "Haha! Maybe it's a clever bot?..."
Lenny said:
Haha! Maybe it's a clever bot?

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Just to add one thing to Gravs post in reply to Draco's:

- Matter cannot be destroyed or created, it just changes state. So what does it matter if it is swallowed whole by a Black Hole, or used as fuel by a star? It's still there.
Matter can be converted to energy and vice versa. Supposedly it's a constant, fixed amount present in the universe however.
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Posted 2007-02-12, 12:04 PM in reply to KagomJack's post starting "Of for fucks sake... another Lenny post."
Fuck the bible.

Yeah I said it.

Oh and while we're at it FUCK JESUS.
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Posted 2007-02-12, 12:04 PM in reply to !King_Amazon!'s post starting "Fuck the bible. Yeah I said it. ..."
z0mg! j00 ddnt!
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Posted 2007-02-12, 12:19 PM in reply to Draco's post "Evolution is Impossible...."
There are many misconceptions about evolution presented in your original post. The theory of evolution really has nothing to do with the big bang theory. The theory of evolution doesn't even say anything about the origin of life. Evolution does not take thousands of years. It happens generation to generation. Speciation, however, takes many, many thousands, if not millions of years.

There is nothing improbable about the theory of evolution. Not only is it an excellent model of the history of life, the facts behind it have been observed. It's like stating that the theory of gravity is improbable.

I really don't know what to say to your specific example of a lizard turning into a bird. My guess, though, is that the process you described is pure speculation on your part. There is nothing to say that it happend the way you described. In general, natural selection would severely reprimand any negative changes in a species, and they would die out fairly quick. I would suspect that the same principle would apply to the lizard. It would have happend much more systematically, and the changes would be beneficial for the intermediate species. That is, of course, how it happens in general.

The big bang theory states that the universe began from a singularity. The big bang would be very much like the collapse of a star into a black hole in reverse. Also, as Lenny stated, matter can not be destroyed in our universe. Black holes that swallow mass spit it back out in the form of Hawking Radiation. This is, of course, not matter, it is energy, however energy and matter are for all practical purposes the same thing, and the relationship between them is given by Einstein's famous equation. Before the big bang, atoms did not exist. Hydrogen atoms did not begin to form until at least one second after the bang -- an eternity at that time...quite literally.

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-Big Bang Theory is pretty much garbage anyway, modern science still doesn't know nearly enough about our universe to make such theories with any sort of accuracy
That's not really true. Einstein's theory of general relativity implies that the universe is expanding or contracting. Through observations, we have discovered that galaxies further from us are moving away faster, which implies that the universe is expanding. Since the universe has been expanding, it is easy to see that at one point the universe must have been much smaller.

There is, of course, a massive amount of other evidence to support it. Cosmic radiation, as predicted by the theory, was found by the Cosmic Background Explorer. The abundance of primordial elements is predicted by the big bang -- where practically all other reasonable models have failed. The change of the state of the universe through time can be seen by a telescope as predicted by the big bang. I, of course, can not list everything that supports the big bang theory -- that would be an enormous post, but there is enough evidence supporting it that it would be likely that any new evidence found would add to it rather than replace it. Modern science certainly does know enough about our universe to make such theories. They easily did 50 years ago.

Divine intervention has enough of its own problems -- many more than either evolution or big bang. For one, where did god come from?

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Posted 2007-02-12, 01:00 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "There are many misconceptions about..."
Ooooh! There was an interesting article on ZDNet a week or so ago about a group of scientists creating an experiment to test the string theory.

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Matter can be converted to energy and vice versa. Supposedly it's a constant, fixed amount present in the universe however.
Exactly - it isn't created or destroyed, but changes state.
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