D3V permanently banned

For repeatedly breaking the Zelaron rules, for driving off GravitonSurge, Mjordan2nd and !King_Amazon!, and for ignoring repeated warnings by most staff members including myself.

I find it regrettable to have to go this far as he was a contributing member, but I have been far too lenient with him.

Consider this a starting point for some major change. We've been too passive in the past three years, allowing Zelaron to be a self-propelled machine suffocating in its own shadow. No more.

Does this mean we can break out the canes and the truncheons? <3

Oh, and I'm in two minds about the banning, in all honesty. Yes, he did have moments when he was a complete dick (the whole MJ saga), but he's contributed a lot - the Automotive forum is going to shrivel up and die.

I think it's a mistake quite honestly. Granted, I haven't read all the posts that led up to all those people leaving, but that's probably because I was too busy reading all the good, contributing threads he started and posts he made. Back in the day, he was a lot more relentless and nothing was done about it, he simply became the whipping boy. For some reason people decided to start taking him seriously, and their feelings ended up getting hurt...

That is the part that I find ridiculous. I understand needing to get away from websites and this forum, because I fell in that stage myself, but I simply resigned as an Admin and just leisurely posted. I've continued that track for the last few years too, and things have been fine.

Banning someone permanently because a few members were too sensitive doesn't seem very justifiable. Then again, if all the members that left end up coming back and things have a turn for the better here, I'll agree that it was a good move, but I won't agree it was the correct one.

The "Few" members that he drove off were 10x better members then he will ever be. Losing one OK member and gaining three (or more) great, older members is a sacrifice that I am definitely willing to take.

The "Few" members that he drove off were 10x better members then he will ever be. Losing one OK member and gaining three (or more) great, older members is a sacrifice that I am definitely willing to take.

if we lose people over time and get none then were losing people plus people are just going to the arcade for games so they dont log in and with armorgames and a bunch of others their gaining people while we are

if we lose people over time and get none then were losing people plus people are just going to the arcade for games so they dont log in and with armorgames and a bunch of others their gaining people while we are

Um...what now?

And, Spector, your post seems to indicate that the perma-ban of D3v will result in a return of those we've lost. Is this mere speculation or an educated conclusion?

I somehow missed the harassment he visited upon these members, yet assuming this is truth, I fully support the ban.

It is certainly regrettable. As I have said numerous times, I would have preferred he just straighten up. He was a great member, when he wasn't being a jackass. Unfortunately, he just wouldn't change, even when Chruser himself told him to straighten up. Either way, he's gone now, and dwelling on that isn't going to help us any.

I think we all will have to make a conscious effort to bring some activity to the forums, now. Losing D3v will certainly have some sort of impact on activity. I see a lot of people say that they just don't find anything here interesting. If this is how you feel, try to figure out what would interest you. Post some things that interest you, or suggest new forums.

There are good things to come in Zelaron's future.

May be if the people he drove off were actually funny we'd feel less strongly about this :V

Do you mean more strongly?

Do you mean more strongly?

No, because banning D3V just made it less entertaining

Yeah who am I gonna call out and rip on for being lame now? Kyeruu has been done to hell and I actually like Kagom and don't hate gay people so there's another no go.

On the topic though while I didn't like D3V I thought it was funny to argue with him just to see him worked up. Perhaps other people and I somewhat cintributed to his jackass-ish ways? Either way if it's definitive that members were leaving because of him I support the move. It sucks but sometimes it's for the best to simply tell someone to hit the road.

He was the entire reason I stopped posting. Thanks for giving me a reason to come back

Liar.

Liar.

He might be full of shit about D3v being the entire reason, but every time I tried to get him to come back he'd bitch about D3v and wouldn't come back.

I think I missed something, then.

Darwin, why did you have such a big problem with D3V?

I think I missed something, then. Darwin, why did you have such a big problem with D3V?

The general gayness of his, "I'm right your wrong now do what I say or I'll hurt you!" attitude.

I'm willing to place money on that.

I think I missed something, then. Darwin, why did you have such a big problem with D3V?

We used to have a huge problem with each other back in the day. It was mostly because he's just a douche bag who thinks he's right about everything. He feels that if you have a different opinion, you're uneducated.

I eventually stopped trying to patch things up with him on AIM after be blocked me twice. I dropped everything and tried to start fresh with him when he first came back but he kept it going. Now that time is over. Everyone who remembers who he used to be knows that he's just an asshole deep down inside.