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Posted 2002-09-01, 12:07 AM
The one year anniversary is coming up soon and I was just wondering how much of a difference this made in your life and if you are satisfied with the current actions in the middle east...

also what are your thoughts of words of war swarm in the air????
+ anythign else you would like to mention on the subject
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Posted 2002-09-01, 12:12 AM in reply to JohnnyTAE's post "9/11 Anniversary"
I think we should buy afghanistan then bomb it.
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Posted 2002-09-01, 12:47 AM in reply to JohnnyTAE's post "9/11 Anniversary"
I think the press needs to just leave 9/11 the FUCK ALONE!! There hasn't been one day, NOT ONE DAY since the attack that I haven't seen news footage of the burning towers. Considering that the year-anniversary of the attack is coming up in less than two weeks, I believe it is high time for the press and the nation as a whole to let the event just die. It won't stop hurting until we LEAVE IT ALONE!!!
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Posted 2002-09-01, 12:50 AM in reply to JohnnyTAE's post "9/11 Anniversary"
StriderFury: yeah i got most of them crazy stuff at madville.
StriderFury: right now theres a lot of news on there about how bush shouldnt attack iraq.
StriderFury: but he can do whatever he wants i dont care
JohnnyTAE: oh yeah
JohnnyTAE: did you see my response?
StriderFury: ?
StriderFury: for which one?
JohnnyTAE: to should america attack iran
StriderFury: it is true,
StriderFury: that bush only wants ratings.
JohnnyTAE: it's bushes job to do what the people want
JohnnyTAE: and he is doing an ok job
JohnnyTAE: if that makes his ratings go up then so be it
StriderFury: *correction its the ppls job to do what bush wants, not the other way around.
JohnnyTAE: lol
JohnnyTAE: America isn't that bad man
StriderFury: and he is doing a TERRIBLE job, ask any americams/
StriderFury: *americans
JohnnyTAE: I am American
StriderFury: i know you like in utah.
StriderFury: Why, of course the people don't want war...but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along. Whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ...voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to
StriderFury: something to think about.
JohnnyTAE: remember vietnam
JohnnyTAE: America pulled out of it because of the people
JohnnyTAE: the people are the country
JohnnyTAE: not there leaders
JohnnyTAE: leaders change a million times
JohnnyTAE: but the people continue on
StriderFury: they were losing anyways. and there was no point in it.
StriderFury: yes i agree.
JohnnyTAE: so bush knows
JohnnyTAE: that
JohnnyTAE: he needs to please the people
JohnnyTAE: thats why he makes a fool of himself in public all the time
StriderFury: but how many dedecated men will have to die in the iraq war before bush figures out that?
JohnnyTAE: trying to keep us happy
StriderFury: there is simply no reasons to attack iraq.
JohnnyTAE: how many innocents shall die if we do not step in
StriderFury: only 20 percent of the population agrees on attacking.
JohnnyTAE: all it takes is a bad day from sadam to change his mind
JohnnyTAE: and kill people
StriderFury: yes, sadam is evil, no doubt.
StriderFury: but.
StriderFury: the war is abolutely unessary.
JohnnyTAE: the war is inevitable
StriderFury: is like saying attack china cause the are communist and the have weapons of mass destructions.
JohnnyTAE: America shall goto war with a middle eastern power
JohnnyTAE: no matter what
JohnnyTAE: it's like saying kill hitler because of what he has done to people
JohnnyTAE: not like what you said
StriderFury: i agree with that,
StriderFury: that sadam should be put to an end,
StriderFury: but,
StriderFury: right now is simply not the time.
JohnnyTAE: War is the only, now
JohnnyTAE: only way now
JohnnyTAE: *
StriderFury: sadam posts no threat to the united states of america.
JohnnyTAE: Sadam posseses a threat to any person that does not worship him
StriderFury: because they know that if the piss of the states,
StriderFury: they would get it.
JohnnyTAE: yeah but thats where we get into terroism
JohnnyTAE: war actions without someone to blame it on
JohnnyTAE: there is reports that sadam helped fund the 9/11 terrorist
StriderFury: and you think the president of america cannot manipulate his own media source?
StriderFury: what i think its going to happen is,
StriderFury: if the states attack,
StriderFury: they have no allies.
StriderFury: and without allies, even the strongest county in the world cannot win.
StriderFury: vietnam all over agian.
StriderFury: was the war nesseary?
StriderFury: how many men died before the ppl figure out the vietnam war was unessary?
JohnnyTAE: Vietnam was different and I agree it was wrong
JohnnyTAE: and war over Ideals and not human rights is wrong
JohnnyTAE: but Iran is different
JohnnyTAE: I agree though
StriderFury: *iraq
StriderFury: i think
JohnnyTAE: hmm
StriderFury: This invasion would be unconstitutional.


It would be against international law.


It would violate the Christian doctrine of "just war."


It would further damage U.S. relations with its allies, relations that are already frayed by Bush's mindless unilateralism.


It would wreak havoc in the Muslim world, where there's plenty of havoc already.


It could shake the U.S. economy, which is tremblin
JohnnyTAE: I think so too
JohnnyTAE: thats what I was saying
StriderFury: i wonder...
JohnnyTAE: I agree the war would come at a great cost to everyone in the world
StriderFury: if the states would drop a nuclear bomb...
StriderFury: if they dont win
JohnnyTAE: we wouldn't
StriderFury: they could
JohnnyTAE: unless someone did it to us first
StriderFury: ?
JohnnyTAE: or posed a great threat
JohnnyTAE: someone*
JohnnyTAE: you make America out to be some kind of tyranical evil villian
StriderFury: they would drop an nuke reasons are
StriderFury: they dont want to lose thousands of lives and money just to go home nothing.
StriderFury: it would make the bush adminstation look bad.
StriderFury: therefore less ratings for bush.
JohnnyTAE: lol
JohnnyTAE: droping a nuke
JohnnyTAE: is unacceptable
StriderFury: which bush does not want.
JohnnyTAE: world wide
JohnnyTAE: no matter the cost no one wants another hiroshima
StriderFury: making this war is unacceptabel world wide.
JohnnyTAE: thats why the us is so strict in civilian warfare
StriderFury: is in the UN laws.
JohnnyTAE: the Un laws are being proken by Sadam every day
StriderFury: The United States has thousands of nuclear weapons; Iraq doesn't have one yet, much less the means to deliver it.

StriderFury: And even if Iraq obtained one nuclear weapon or two, would that present a "mortal" danger to the United States? Remember, the United States managed to survive for four decades against an enemy with thousands of nuclear weapons aimed at us.



JohnnyTAE: Iraq kills innocents for no reason but to test another tool of terrorism
StriderFury: right.
StriderFury: but you cant destory all terrorsim.
StriderFury: like raziel said,
StriderFury: its like the war on drugs.
StriderFury: if anyones got to change, is the US.
StriderFury: that will prevent terrorst.
JohnnyTAE: you don't see the big picture do you
StriderFury: why do you think no one hates canada?
StriderFury: or any other countries EXPECT america?
JohnnyTAE: America is a land of freedom one seprate from the others we to what we want to making us one of the greatest countrys in the world making this country the country of the people and for hte people
JohnnyTAE: we will not change our selfs to maintain others beliefs
JohnnyTAE: we will press what we think is right
JohnnyTAE: aslong as justice is served
StriderFury: so are you saying any free countries will be attack by terrorist?
JohnnyTAE: if america was no longer here because terrorism succeded
StriderFury: thats roughly around 80 percent of teh worlds countries.
JohnnyTAE: they would challenge britian and work there way down to canada
JohnnyTAE: the only reason canada is not being threatened is because there are much bigger fish in the sea
JohnnyTAE: do you realize what the terroist are saying?
JohnnyTAE: just by letting women and childern govern there life
StriderFury: but why are the terroist doing what they do?
JohnnyTAE: it is treatable by death
StriderFury: what is their over all perpose?
JohnnyTAE: there is none
JohnnyTAE: they have small ideals
JohnnyTAE: like toppling ALL western countries
JohnnyTAE: and letting the goodness of allah shine down
JohnnyTAE: which means no school for women or a better life
JohnnyTAE: a hiearchy of men
JohnnyTAE: just like in the medievil days
StriderFury: johnny, no offense but where do you get all this stuff?
JohnnyTAE: like I said
JohnnyTAE: I am very observant
StriderFury: it sounds like someone just stole away you freedom think beyond the picture or something.
JohnnyTAE: thats what America fights for
StriderFury: no one is stupid enough to kill themseleves just for those things.
JohnnyTAE: is for freedom of all people
JohnnyTAE: Hah
StriderFury: they want to live in peace jsut like you and i
JohnnyTAE: tell that to the sucide terroist in the middle east
StriderFury: they are no different under it all.
StriderFury: thats becasue they are fighting for lands.
JohnnyTAE: under it all they carry differnt believs
StriderFury: lands taken over by other ppl.
JohnnyTAE: that grudge against ours
StriderFury: so they have to fight them back.
JohnnyTAE: thats just in one country
JohnnyTAE: Osama or the taliban never had a country
StriderFury: imagen if someone comes along and steals a part of you land.
JohnnyTAE: they just had exreme beliefs
StriderFury: you would fight back.
StriderFury: osama was hired.
JohnnyTAE: by the us
JohnnyTAE: I know
StriderFury: they are not part of any countries.
JohnnyTAE: to save his country from russia
StriderFury: and the US teach them how to be terrosit?
StriderFury: *.
StriderFury: did you know that?
JohnnyTAE: the us taught them how to save them self
JohnnyTAE: now they are using it against us
JohnnyTAE: Yeah
StriderFury: which is terroisem.
StriderFury: thats why
StriderFury: i told zel early
StriderFury: *post
StriderFury: that the states should mind their own bussiness.
JohnnyTAE: lol
JohnnyTAE: man
JohnnyTAE: think of the world you would be living in if the states minded there own business
JohnnyTAE: there would be no canada
StriderFury: the US pissed a lot of ppl off.
StriderFury: lol why not?
JohnnyTAE: us minds its onw business during ww1 or ww2
StriderFury: canada is just a piece of ice, mostly,
JohnnyTAE: the maps would be tottally differnt
StriderFury: the rest are all plains.
StriderFury: why do you wnat to take over canada?
JohnnyTAE: lol
JohnnyTAE: I don't
JohnnyTAE: I was saying
StriderFury: no one would take it even if its ripe for the picking.
JohnnyTAE: they would trust me
StriderFury: it postes no threads.
JohnnyTAE: people don't fear only threats
JohnnyTAE: they feel a need to press there beliefs on others
StriderFury: we are talking about terrorist here arent we?
JohnnyTAE: we are talking about all of the middle eastern dilemas
StriderFury: go visit (Link: www.madville.com)www.madville.com more often.
StriderFury: they feed you better crap then what the media feeds ya.
StriderFury:

JohnnyTAE: lol
JohnnyTAE: I do not base my decisons on the media
StriderFury: you know what
JohnnyTAE: if thats what you think
JohnnyTAE: sup?
JohnnyTAE: we should post our discussion on zelaron
StriderFury: that what the middle east would do if they toke over the world.
StriderFury: WITH TERRORIST!
StriderFury: lol.
StriderFury: pretty much nothing i'll bet.
JohnnyTAE: lol just like the taliban did nothing to afghanistan
JohnnyTAE: >
JohnnyTAE: ?
JohnnyTAE: they ruined those people
StriderFury: the states toke part in the destortion as much as the taliban.
StriderFury: if they would only have gotten out of their after they did their job.
JohnnyTAE: no way
JohnnyTAE: thats bs
JohnnyTAE: we didn't enfore this extreme laws on them
StriderFury: everyone know
StriderFury: that the taliban got piss cause of it.
JohnnyTAE: man you are lost
JohnnyTAE: lol
StriderFury: they were grateful for helping
StriderFury: but
StriderFury: they cross over the line there for the taliban got pisse.d
JohnnyTAE: what
JohnnyTAE: how
JohnnyTAE: could
JohnnyTAE: they
JohnnyTAE: doi
JohnnyTAE: that?
JohnnyTAE: it's like giving a baby soem candy
JohnnyTAE: then taking it away
JohnnyTAE: of course the baby
JohnnyTAE: is gonna get pissed
JohnnyTAE: but sometimes thats the way of life
StriderFury: no matter
StriderFury: i'm more concern for another
StriderFury: terroist attacks/.
StriderFury: weither who is more right or wrong then the other.
JohnnyTAE: you haven't heard have you?
StriderFury: ?
JohnnyTAE: there are reports of top taliban officails that escaped afghanistan
JohnnyTAE: being in Iraq
StriderFury: everyone about that.
JohnnyTAE: and plannign more attacks on the west
StriderFury: they were also in pakistaon
JohnnyTAE: planning*
StriderFury: *pakistan
JohnnyTAE: they were
JohnnyTAE: but there all heading to iraq
StriderFury: so why not attack the pakistans
StriderFury: not all
StriderFury: they are spread out around the globe.
JohnnyTAE: you think the US is war happy don't you?
JohnnyTAE: I was talking about those fleeing afghan
StriderFury: kinda like gurilla warfare.
StriderFury: what happens when the states run out of countries to attack?
JohnnyTAE: you know you seem pretty found of the terrorist maybe you hsould join al queda
JohnnyTAE: the states don't want war man
StriderFury: lol johnny.
JohnnyTAE: they want equal civil rights and humane treatment
JohnnyTAE: not war
StriderFury: i'm more thinking for the best of the US.
JohnnyTAE: and the US us thinking for the best of the world
StriderFury: yes, its not what the US (the ppl wants)
JohnnyTAE: we are thinking on two differnt layouts
StriderFury: but what BUSH wants.
JohnnyTAE: it is not
StriderFury: BUSh makes all the big calls.
StriderFury: not everyone else.
JohnnyTAE: the truth is
JohnnyTAE: Bush don't make shit
StriderFury: thats the duty of being a president.
JohnnyTAE: he really hasn't done much
JohnnyTAE: congress is the big wigs
JohnnyTAE: bush points things out
StriderFury: he knew about 9?11
JohnnyTAE: other people handle it
StriderFury: */
JohnnyTAE: and if everyoen don't agree there is problems
StriderFury: they were even running simulations.
JohnnyTAE: lol
JohnnyTAE: conspiracy nut
StriderFury: its leaking out.
StriderFury: even russia amits warning the States.
JohnnyTAE: how much would you belive someone if they said they were gonna fly a plane into your city
JohnnyTAE: if your city had never been attacked?
JohnnyTAE: it's like me saying
StriderFury: with the enemies the states have i would.
JohnnyTAE: Canada will be attacked by terrorist
JohnnyTAE: man
JohnnyTAE: your bullheaded
JohnnyTAE: but thats a good thing
StriderFury: canada hasnt done none though.
JohnnyTAE: I prolly am too
JohnnyTAE: Canada isn't very innocent either
StriderFury: more innocent then the states i;ll bet.
StriderFury: and they still have their freedom.
StriderFury: and that isnt because of the US/
JohnnyTAE: it isn't but
StriderFury: why do you want to attackt canada? where would you even find the ppl to do the jobs?
JohnnyTAE: the fact they still exist today is a much to do because of the us
StriderFury: execpt mental paitents.
JohnnyTAE: I don't wanna attack canada
JohnnyTAE: lol
StriderFury: no one does.
StriderFury: that whu
JohnnyTAE: man
StriderFury: hitler left it alone.
JohnnyTAE: if there was no other western countries now you would be attacked
JohnnyTAE: hitler never attacked it yet
StriderFury: you REALLy believe that?
JohnnyTAE: but his plan was killing all jews
StriderFury: canada would have surrounder.
JohnnyTAE: even the canadain ones
JohnnyTAE: it don't matter
StriderFury: and there would be no harm.
StriderFury: hitler NEVER wanted to kill canadainS!
JohnnyTAE: you surrender every person not fit to standard dies
JohnnyTAE: not candaians
JohnnyTAE: but colors
JohnnyTAE: jews
JohnnyTAE: and any other religon that was looked at badly\
JohnnyTAE: like gypsys
JohnnyTAE: gothics
JohnnyTAE: gangsters
JohnnyTAE: hoodlums
JohnnyTAE: all dead
StriderFury: hitler started a war for total domination fo europe and perhaps the world.
StriderFury: he only use *kill all the jews* policies to start the war.
StriderFury: thats old news johnny.
JohnnyTAE: yeah it is
JohnnyTAE: but you seem to love to disagree
JohnnyTAE:
JohnnyTAE: I am gonna post this on zel
JohnnyTAE: ok?
StriderFury: because the majority of the ppl are stupid.
JohnnyTAE: the entire world is stupid
StriderFury: no.
JohnnyTAE: lol
StriderFury: to long to read.
JohnnyTAE: why not?
JohnnyTAE: it's koo
StriderFury: and boring.
JohnnyTAE: not for me
StriderFury: wars will start.
JohnnyTAE: it's ok
StriderFury: zelaron wars that is!
JohnnyTAE: cmon
StriderFury: and ppl will be pissed.
JohnnyTAE: I think it will make for good discussion
StriderFury: i MIGHT get flamed.
JohnnyTAE: don't worry about what they think
JohnnyTAE: you said how you feel
StriderFury: STRIDER LIKES LEASBIANS HAHAHA.
JohnnyTAE: lol
StriderFury: ok now you might post it.
StriderFury: tell me when you're done.
StriderFury: and the link.
JohnnyTAE: k
JohnnyTAE: I'll bleep useless stuff out
StriderFury: no thats too long.
StriderFury: gotta keep it fresh know what i'm saying?
JohnnyTAE: lol
JohnnyTAE: not exactly
StriderFury: hold i'll do it then.
JohnnyTAE: nah
StriderFury: cause you arent even doing it right now.
JohnnyTAE: I got it man
JohnnyTAE: I am
JohnnyTAE: too
StriderFury: i'll post the actually shit.
JohnnyTAE: me 2
JohnnyTAE: just not our side convos
StriderFury: and the remarks about leasbians
JohnnyTAE: you want it in or out?
StriderFury: IN.
StriderFury: AND THIS>
JohnnyTAE: lol
JohnnyTAE: see your draggin it out it was fine before
StriderFury: nahuh! you were taking FOREVER.
StriderFury: i'll post it johny.
StriderFury: seriously.
JohnnyTAE: nah man
JohnnyTAE: I gots it
JohnnyTAE: under control
JohnnyTAE: be patient
StriderFury: damnit!
StriderFury: here, i'll do it, jsut to see how long it takes.
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Posted 2002-09-01, 12:52 AM in reply to JohnnyTAE's post "9/11 Anniversary"
damnit johnny no one is going to span the time to read that!
It's physically impossible for you to lick your elbow when intact to your miserable body.
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Posted 2002-09-01, 12:53 AM in reply to JohnnyTAE's post "9/11 Anniversary"
*mine and striders talk
about the situations

don't mind the typos and this is just opinion so take it as it comes
and read it seriously it is interesting...
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Posted 2002-09-01, 12:54 AM in reply to JohnnyTAE's post "9/11 Anniversary"
I know I'm not!
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Posted 2002-09-01, 10:03 AM in reply to JohnnyTAE's post "9/11 Anniversary"
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I think we should buy afghanistan then bomb it.
Another misinformated belicous soul who does know nothing about all the afgans problem...U only think about bombing or what???????
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Posted 2002-09-01, 11:05 AM in reply to JohnnyTAE's post "9/11 Anniversary"
i feel really insensitive not caring about it, but oh well.
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Posted 2002-09-01, 11:40 AM in reply to JohnnyTAE's post "9/11 Anniversary"
I think 'anniversary' is a completely inappropriate word.
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Posted 2002-09-01, 11:45 AM in reply to JohnnyTAE's post "9/11 Anniversary"
it is just your positive view of the word that makes it seem wrong but in my culture when someone dies we have a 1 year anniversary where everyone goes back to the grave to remember the person by mourning there loss...
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Another misinformated belicous soul who does know nothing about all the afgans problem...U only think about bombing or what???????
Ok. Lets move them to antarctica. Then we can bomb them.
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Posted 2002-09-01, 11:59 AM in reply to JohnnyTAE's post "9/11 Anniversary"
Can you say flooding??
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Posted 2002-09-01, 12:04 PM in reply to JohnnyTAE's post "9/11 Anniversary"
Oooo didn't think about that...
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Ok. Lets move them to antarctica. Then we can bomb them.
why don't just bomb the house of assholes like you?
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Posted 2002-09-01, 12:37 PM in reply to JohnnyTAE's post "9/11 Anniversary"
Because I don't cowardly attack countries. :-X

And don't say that it was Osama bin laden, not Afghanistan, because if Bush was to attack another country, they would blame the Americans.

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Posted 2002-09-01, 12:56 PM in reply to JohnnyTAE's post "9/11 Anniversary"
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Because I don't cowardly attack countries. :-X
U support those who do such
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Originally posted by !King_Amazon!
And don't say that it was Osama bin laden, not Afghanistan, because if Bush was to attack another country, they would blame the Americans. [/B]
Americans aren't blamed without reason, it's not a world conspiracy against ur country...
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Posted 2002-09-01, 02:46 PM in reply to JohnnyTAE's post "9/11 Anniversary"
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StriderFury: yeah i got most of them crazy stuff at madville.
StriderFury: right now theres a lot of news on there about how bush shouldnt attack iraq.
StriderFury: but he can do whatever he wants i dont care
JohnnyTAE: oh yeah
JohnnyTAE: did you see my response?
StriderFury: ?
StriderFury: for which one?
JohnnyTAE: to should america attack iran
StriderFury: it is true,
StriderFury: that bush only wants ratings.
JohnnyTAE: it's bushes job to do what the people want
JohnnyTAE: and he is doing an ok job
JohnnyTAE: if that makes his ratings go up then so be it
StriderFury: *correction its the ppls job to do what bush wants, not the other way around.
JohnnyTAE: lol
JohnnyTAE: America isn't that bad man
StriderFury: and he is doing a TERRIBLE job, ask any americams/
StriderFury: *americans
JohnnyTAE: I am American
StriderFury: i know you like in utah.
StriderFury: Why, of course the people don't want war...but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along. Whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ...voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is to
StriderFury: something to think about.
JohnnyTAE: remember vietnam
JohnnyTAE: America pulled out of it because of the people
JohnnyTAE: the people are the country
JohnnyTAE: not there leaders
JohnnyTAE: leaders change a million times
JohnnyTAE: but the people continue on
StriderFury: they were losing anyways. and there was no point in it.
StriderFury: yes i agree.
JohnnyTAE: so bush knows
JohnnyTAE: that
JohnnyTAE: he needs to please the people
JohnnyTAE: thats why he makes a fool of himself in public all the time
StriderFury: but how many dedecated men will have to die in the iraq war before bush figures out that?
JohnnyTAE: trying to keep us happy
StriderFury: there is simply no reasons to attack iraq.
JohnnyTAE: how many innocents shall die if we do not step in
StriderFury: only 20 percent of the population agrees on attacking.
JohnnyTAE: all it takes is a bad day from sadam to change his mind
JohnnyTAE: and kill people
StriderFury: yes, sadam is evil, no doubt.
StriderFury: but.
StriderFury: the war is abolutely unessary.
JohnnyTAE: the war is inevitable
StriderFury: is like saying attack china cause the are communist and the have weapons of mass destructions.
JohnnyTAE: America shall goto war with a middle eastern power
JohnnyTAE: no matter what
JohnnyTAE: it's like saying kill hitler because of what he has done to people
JohnnyTAE: not like what you said
StriderFury: i agree with that,
StriderFury: that sadam should be put to an end,
StriderFury: but,
StriderFury: right now is simply not the time.
JohnnyTAE: War is the only, now
JohnnyTAE: only way now
JohnnyTAE: *
StriderFury: sadam posts no threat to the united states of america.
JohnnyTAE: Sadam posseses a threat to any person that does not worship him
StriderFury: because they know that if the piss of the states,
StriderFury: they would get it.
JohnnyTAE: yeah but thats where we get into terroism
JohnnyTAE: war actions without someone to blame it on
JohnnyTAE: there is reports that sadam helped fund the 9/11 terrorist
StriderFury: and you think the president of america cannot manipulate his own media source?
StriderFury: what i think its going to happen is,
StriderFury: if the states attack,
StriderFury: they have no allies.
StriderFury: and without allies, even the strongest county in the world cannot win.
StriderFury: vietnam all over agian.
StriderFury: was the war nesseary?
StriderFury: how many men died before the ppl figure out the vietnam war was unessary?
JohnnyTAE: Vietnam was different and I agree it was wrong
JohnnyTAE: and war over Ideals and not human rights is wrong
JohnnyTAE: but Iran is different
JohnnyTAE: I agree though
StriderFury: *iraq
StriderFury: i think
JohnnyTAE: hmm
StriderFury: This invasion would be unconstitutional.


It would be against international law.


It would violate the Christian doctrine of "just war."


It would further damage U.S. relations with its allies, relations that are already frayed by Bush's mindless unilateralism.


It would wreak havoc in the Muslim world, where there's plenty of havoc already.


It could shake the U.S. economy, which is tremblin
JohnnyTAE: I think so too
JohnnyTAE: thats what I was saying
StriderFury: i wonder...
JohnnyTAE: I agree the war would come at a great cost to everyone in the world
StriderFury: if the states would drop a nuclear bomb...
StriderFury: if they dont win
JohnnyTAE: we wouldn't
StriderFury: they could
JohnnyTAE: unless someone did it to us first
StriderFury: ?
JohnnyTAE: or posed a great threat
JohnnyTAE: someone*
JohnnyTAE: you make America out to be some kind of tyranical evil villian
StriderFury: they would drop an nuke reasons are
StriderFury: they dont want to lose thousands of lives and money just to go home nothing.
StriderFury: it would make the bush adminstation look bad.
StriderFury: therefore less ratings for bush.
JohnnyTAE: lol
JohnnyTAE: droping a nuke
JohnnyTAE: is unacceptable
StriderFury: which bush does not want.
JohnnyTAE: world wide
JohnnyTAE: no matter the cost no one wants another hiroshima
StriderFury: making this war is unacceptabel world wide.
JohnnyTAE: thats why the us is so strict in civilian warfare
StriderFury: is in the UN laws.
JohnnyTAE: the Un laws are being proken by Sadam every day
StriderFury: The United States has thousands of nuclear weapons; Iraq doesn't have one yet, much less the means to deliver it.

StriderFury: And even if Iraq obtained one nuclear weapon or two, would that present a "mortal" danger to the United States? Remember, the United States managed to survive for four decades against an enemy with thousands of nuclear weapons aimed at us.



JohnnyTAE: Iraq kills innocents for no reason but to test another tool of terrorism
StriderFury: right.
StriderFury: but you cant destory all terrorsim.
StriderFury: like raziel said,
StriderFury: its like the war on drugs.
StriderFury: if anyones got to change, is the US.
StriderFury: that will prevent terrorst.
JohnnyTAE: you don't see the big picture do you
StriderFury: why do you think no one hates canada?
StriderFury: or any other countries EXPECT america?
JohnnyTAE: America is a land of freedom one seprate from the others we to what we want to making us one of the greatest countrys in the world making this country the country of the people and for hte people
JohnnyTAE: we will not change our selfs to maintain others beliefs
JohnnyTAE: we will press what we think is right
JohnnyTAE: aslong as justice is served
StriderFury: so are you saying any free countries will be attack by terrorist?
JohnnyTAE: if america was no longer here because terrorism succeded
StriderFury: thats roughly around 80 percent of teh worlds countries.
JohnnyTAE: they would challenge britian and work there way down to canada
JohnnyTAE: the only reason canada is not being threatened is because there are much bigger fish in the sea
JohnnyTAE: do you realize what the terroist are saying?
JohnnyTAE: just by letting women and childern govern there life
StriderFury: but why are the terroist doing what they do?
JohnnyTAE: it is treatable by death
StriderFury: what is their over all perpose?
JohnnyTAE: there is none
JohnnyTAE: they have small ideals
JohnnyTAE: like toppling ALL western countries
JohnnyTAE: and letting the goodness of allah shine down
JohnnyTAE: which means no school for women or a better life
JohnnyTAE: a hiearchy of men
JohnnyTAE: just like in the medievil days
StriderFury: johnny, no offense but where do you get all this stuff?
JohnnyTAE: like I said
JohnnyTAE: I am very observant
StriderFury: it sounds like someone just stole away you freedom think beyond the picture or something.
JohnnyTAE: thats what America fights for
StriderFury: no one is stupid enough to kill themseleves just for those things.
JohnnyTAE: is for freedom of all people
JohnnyTAE: Hah
StriderFury: they want to live in peace jsut like you and i
JohnnyTAE: tell that to the sucide terroist in the middle east
StriderFury: they are no different under it all.
StriderFury: thats becasue they are fighting for lands.
JohnnyTAE: under it all they carry differnt believs
StriderFury: lands taken over by other ppl.
JohnnyTAE: that grudge against ours
StriderFury: so they have to fight them back.
JohnnyTAE: thats just in one country
JohnnyTAE: Osama or the taliban never had a country
StriderFury: imagen if someone comes along and steals a part of you land.
JohnnyTAE: they just had exreme beliefs
StriderFury: you would fight back.
StriderFury: osama was hired.
JohnnyTAE: by the us
JohnnyTAE: I know
StriderFury: they are not part of any countries.
JohnnyTAE: to save his country from russia
StriderFury: and the US teach them how to be terrosit?
StriderFury: *.
StriderFury: did you know that?
JohnnyTAE: the us taught them how to save them self
JohnnyTAE: now they are using it against us
JohnnyTAE: Yeah
StriderFury: which is terroisem.
StriderFury: thats why
StriderFury: i told zel early
StriderFury: *post
StriderFury: that the states should mind their own bussiness.
JohnnyTAE: lol
JohnnyTAE: man
JohnnyTAE: think of the world you would be living in if the states minded there own business
JohnnyTAE: there would be no canada
StriderFury: the US pissed a lot of ppl off.
StriderFury: lol why not?
JohnnyTAE: us minds its onw business during ww1 or ww2
StriderFury: canada is just a piece of ice, mostly,
JohnnyTAE: the maps would be tottally differnt
StriderFury: the rest are all plains.
StriderFury: why do you wnat to take over canada?
JohnnyTAE: lol
JohnnyTAE: I don't
JohnnyTAE: I was saying
StriderFury: no one would take it even if its ripe for the picking.
JohnnyTAE: they would trust me
StriderFury: it postes no threads.
JohnnyTAE: people don't fear only threats
JohnnyTAE: they feel a need to press there beliefs on others
StriderFury: we are talking about terrorist here arent we?
JohnnyTAE: we are talking about all of the middle eastern dilemas
StriderFury: go visit (Link: www.madville.com)www.madville.com more often.
StriderFury: they feed you better crap then what the media feeds ya.
StriderFury:

JohnnyTAE: lol
JohnnyTAE: I do not base my decisons on the media
StriderFury: you know what
JohnnyTAE: if thats what you think
JohnnyTAE: sup?
JohnnyTAE: we should post our discussion on zelaron
StriderFury: that what the middle east would do if they toke over the world.
StriderFury: WITH TERRORIST!
StriderFury: lol.
StriderFury: pretty much nothing i'll bet.
JohnnyTAE: lol just like the taliban did nothing to afghanistan
JohnnyTAE: >
JohnnyTAE: ?
JohnnyTAE: they ruined those people
StriderFury: the states toke part in the destortion as much as the taliban.
StriderFury: if they would only have gotten out of their after they did their job.
JohnnyTAE: no way
JohnnyTAE: thats bs
JohnnyTAE: we didn't enfore this extreme laws on them
StriderFury: everyone know
StriderFury: that the taliban got piss cause of it.
JohnnyTAE: man you are lost
JohnnyTAE: lol
StriderFury: they were grateful for helping
StriderFury: but
StriderFury: they cross over the line there for the taliban got pisse.d
JohnnyTAE: what
JohnnyTAE: how
JohnnyTAE: could
JohnnyTAE: they
JohnnyTAE: doi
JohnnyTAE: that?
JohnnyTAE: it's like giving a baby soem candy
JohnnyTAE: then taking it away
JohnnyTAE: of course the baby
JohnnyTAE: is gonna get pissed
JohnnyTAE: but sometimes thats the way of life
StriderFury: no matter
StriderFury: i'm more concern for another
StriderFury: terroist attacks/.
StriderFury: weither who is more right or wrong then the other.
JohnnyTAE: you haven't heard have you?
StriderFury: ?
JohnnyTAE: there are reports of top taliban officails that escaped afghanistan
JohnnyTAE: being in Iraq
StriderFury: everyone about that.
JohnnyTAE: and plannign more attacks on the west
StriderFury: they were also in pakistaon
JohnnyTAE: planning*
StriderFury: *pakistan
JohnnyTAE: they were
JohnnyTAE: but there all heading to iraq
StriderFury: so why not attack the pakistans
StriderFury: not all
StriderFury: they are spread out around the globe.
JohnnyTAE: you think the US is war happy don't you?
JohnnyTAE: I was talking about those fleeing afghan
StriderFury: kinda like gurilla warfare.
StriderFury: what happens when the states run out of countries to attack?
JohnnyTAE: you know you seem pretty found of the terrorist maybe you hsould join al queda
JohnnyTAE: the states don't want war man
StriderFury: lol johnny.
JohnnyTAE: they want equal civil rights and humane treatment
JohnnyTAE: not war
StriderFury: i'm more thinking for the best of the US.
JohnnyTAE: and the US us thinking for the best of the world
StriderFury: yes, its not what the US (the ppl wants)
JohnnyTAE: we are thinking on two differnt layouts
StriderFury: but what BUSH wants.
JohnnyTAE: it is not
StriderFury: BUSh makes all the big calls.
StriderFury: not everyone else.
JohnnyTAE: the truth is
JohnnyTAE: Bush don't make shit
StriderFury: thats the duty of being a president.
JohnnyTAE: he really hasn't done much
JohnnyTAE: congress is the big wigs
JohnnyTAE: bush points things out
StriderFury: he knew about 9?11
JohnnyTAE: other people handle it
StriderFury: */
JohnnyTAE: and if everyoen don't agree there is problems
StriderFury: they were even running simulations.
JohnnyTAE: lol
JohnnyTAE: conspiracy nut
StriderFury: its leaking out.
StriderFury: even russia amits warning the States.
JohnnyTAE: how much would you belive someone if they said they were gonna fly a plane into your city
JohnnyTAE: if your city had never been attacked?
JohnnyTAE: it's like me saying
StriderFury: with the enemies the states have i would.
JohnnyTAE: Canada will be attacked by terrorist
JohnnyTAE: man
JohnnyTAE: your bullheaded
JohnnyTAE: but thats a good thing
StriderFury: canada hasnt done none though.
JohnnyTAE: I prolly am too
JohnnyTAE: Canada isn't very innocent either
StriderFury: more innocent then the states i;ll bet.
StriderFury: and they still have their freedom.
StriderFury: and that isnt because of the US/
JohnnyTAE: it isn't but
StriderFury: why do you want to attackt canada? where would you even find the ppl to do the jobs?
JohnnyTAE: the fact they still exist today is a much to do because of the us
StriderFury: execpt mental paitents.
JohnnyTAE: I don't wanna attack canada
JohnnyTAE: lol
StriderFury: no one does.
StriderFury: that whu
JohnnyTAE: man
StriderFury: hitler left it alone.
JohnnyTAE: if there was no other western countries now you would be attacked
JohnnyTAE: hitler never attacked it yet
StriderFury: you REALLy believe that?
JohnnyTAE: but his plan was killing all jews
StriderFury: canada would have surrounder.
JohnnyTAE: even the canadain ones
JohnnyTAE: it don't matter
StriderFury: and there would be no harm.
StriderFury: hitler NEVER wanted to kill canadainS!
JohnnyTAE: you surrender every person not fit to standard dies
JohnnyTAE: not candaians
JohnnyTAE: but colors
JohnnyTAE: jews
JohnnyTAE: and any other religon that was looked at badly\
JohnnyTAE: like gypsys
JohnnyTAE: gothics
JohnnyTAE: gangsters
JohnnyTAE: hoodlums
JohnnyTAE: all dead
StriderFury: hitler started a war for total domination fo europe and perhaps the world.
StriderFury: he only use *kill all the jews* policies to start the war.
StriderFury: thats old news johnny.
JohnnyTAE: yeah it is
JohnnyTAE: but you seem to love to disagree
JohnnyTAE:
JohnnyTAE: I am gonna post this on zel
JohnnyTAE: ok?
StriderFury: because the majority of the ppl are stupid.
JohnnyTAE: the entire world is stupid
StriderFury: no.
JohnnyTAE: lol
StriderFury: to long to read.
JohnnyTAE: why not?
JohnnyTAE: it's koo
StriderFury: and boring.
JohnnyTAE: not for me
StriderFury: wars will start.
JohnnyTAE: it's ok
StriderFury: zelaron wars that is!
JohnnyTAE: cmon
StriderFury: and ppl will be pissed.
JohnnyTAE: I think it will make for good discussion
StriderFury: i MIGHT get flamed.
JohnnyTAE: don't worry about what they think
JohnnyTAE: you said how you feel
StriderFury: STRIDER LIKES LEASBIANS HAHAHA.
JohnnyTAE: lol
StriderFury: ok now you might post it.
StriderFury: tell me when you're done.
StriderFury: and the link.
JohnnyTAE: k
JohnnyTAE: I'll bleep useless stuff out
StriderFury: no thats too long.
StriderFury: gotta keep it fresh know what i'm saying?
JohnnyTAE: lol
JohnnyTAE: not exactly
StriderFury: hold i'll do it then.
JohnnyTAE: nah
StriderFury: cause you arent even doing it right now.
JohnnyTAE: I got it man
JohnnyTAE: I am
JohnnyTAE: too
StriderFury: i'll post the actually shit.
JohnnyTAE: me 2
JohnnyTAE: just not our side convos
StriderFury: and the remarks about leasbians
JohnnyTAE: you want it in or out?
StriderFury: IN.
StriderFury: AND THIS>
JohnnyTAE: lol
JohnnyTAE: see your draggin it out it was fine before
StriderFury: nahuh! you were taking FOREVER.
StriderFury: i'll post it johny.
StriderFury: seriously.
JohnnyTAE: nah man
JohnnyTAE: I gots it
JohnnyTAE: under control
JohnnyTAE: be patient
StriderFury: damnit!
StriderFury: here, i'll do it, jsut to see how long it takes.
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Am I the only one that read all of that? I found it interesting...
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Posted 2002-09-01, 04:44 PM in reply to JohnnyTAE's post "9/11 Anniversary"
Dude, NGM was it really necessary to quote the whole damn thing?
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Posted 2002-09-01, 04:49 PM in reply to JohnnyTAE's post "9/11 Anniversary"
I did it too, and seriously, Striderfury toughts are, from my point of view far away more solid than JohnyTAE's one...I found serious knowledge lacks from Johny in several matters, starting from Hitler, ending in Afganistan, and passing by the whole middle orient...I keep considering him a reasonable guy, but i had never disagreed with him as I do now...
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