Rape

Morally, no, I don't believe there are cases where it's moral. Justified, however, that all depends on personal beliefs. I believe there are rare cases where it's justified...id est mass murderers, child rapists and such. However, that still doesn't mean it's moral, even to a person who may find it justified. Personally, I don't believe that Morality and Justification should be paired with each other to begin with.

This is continued from the death penalty thread.

What I can't understand is why do people consider rape to be that bad? I'm not being sarcastic, I honestly just don't see it. I definitely agree it's wrong and it should be punished. But I think it's of the magnitude of assault, or maybe assault with bodily injury, but not murder.

I can seemingly understand where your coming from, being a black man.

I can seemingly understand where your coming from, being a black man.

That was very...dev from the past there.

Oh, cry about it.

Seriously, how is rape bad? Are you really that stupid? I know that it's okay for animals, but I hope we've evolved further from that where we can have our own liberities and decide what we want to do or not.

Oh, cry about it. Seriously, how is rape bad? Are you really that stupid? I know that it's okay for animals, but I hope we've evolved further from that where we can have our own liberities and decide what we want to do or not.

I think you entirely skipped my original post. My argument isn't whether or not rape is bad, it's whether or not it's on par with murder. Reread, and come again.

Really, in my opinion its the rest of society that is stupid. Provide me with some biological evidence that it is on par with murder.

I think you entirely skipped my original post. Really, in my opinion its the rest of society that is stupid. Provide me with some biological evidence that it is on par with murder.

Because most rape victims will never be the same, their entire life. They have to live with what happened because of some scumbag whatever the case may be has violated them, and it will always haunt them. So as I see it, being scarred for your entire life is just as bad as being killed.

Most young females that are raped turn into pornstars so I guess.... some people benefit from it?

In all seriousness, I'd put rape right up there with murder.

Yea, there's definitely some psychological damage. There's psychological damage after having the shit kicked out of you too. The idea that someone violated you and you need to be different your entire life is more of an idea implanted by society rather than an innate one. You can, and many people do, move on. Given that, I see it as maybe slightly worse than assault with bodily injury.

I mean, yes, someone crossed the boundary and did something to you that you didn't want them to. But really all they did was stick a body part in you when you objected. But if you stuck a finger in someone's ear, people wouldn't set out to lynch you. It's only if a penis enters the vagina. I really don't understand people's fascination with our reproductive organs. If we were to program society to consider their ears as "private parts" would there really be people who advocated the death penalty to anyone who went around sticking fingers in people's ears?

I understand that there are potential dangers with rape, such as STDs or the risk of pregnancy. And in this way, yes, it's worse than sticking a finger in someone's ear. But what if we were to assume that these didn't exist. Would rape be less immoral then? Would it be less punishable by law then?

For the sake of argument, lets say you're correct. Lets say that you are emotionally scarred your entire life once someone rapes you. How is this akin to murder? How is ending someone's life the same as changing, or scarring someone's life. There are a lot of things in life that will scar you forever, especially since such things are subjective. An adultress woman will scar you for life. Should she be punished by death? Life in prison? 25+ years? Being raised in a religious household which tells you to reject facts in favor of faith will scar you for life. Should those parents be serving time with convicted murderers? Being scarred for life is not the same as having your life ended.

I think you entirely skipped my original post. My argument isn't whether or not rape is bad, it's whether or not it's on par with murder. Reread, and come again. Really, in my opinion its the rest of society that is stupid. Provide me with some biological evidence that it is on par with murder.

I'm sorry, I must've skipped over the part where you compared it with the assault aspect, in that case, no it's not the same. The only person that has put it on par is you, the punishments are even different, there are tons of different circumstances when it comes to rape and the punishment following, but with murder there's only 4 degrees I believe... so yeah. Rape is on par with murder.

Basically...

+ The punishments are different..
+ Scarring somebody for life is just as bad as killing them

Yea, there's definitely some psychological damage. There's psychological damage after having the shit kicked out of you too. The idea that someone violated you and you need to be different your entire life is more of an idea implanted by society rather than an innate one. You can, and many people do, move on. Given that, I see it as maybe slightly worse than assault with bodily injury. I mean, yes, someone crossed the boundary and did something to you that you didn't want them to. But really all they did was stick a body part in you when you objected. But if you stuck a finger in someone's ear, people wouldn't set out to lynch you. It's only if a penis enters the vagina. I really don't understand people's fascination with our reproductive organs. If we were to program society to consider their ears as "private parts" would there really be people who advocated the death penalty to anyone who went around sticking fingers in people's ears? I understand that there are potential dangers with rape, such as STDs or the risk of pregnancy. And in this way, yes, it's worse than sticking a finger in someone's ear. But what if we were to assume that these didn't exist. Would rape be less immoral then? Would it be less punishable by law then? For the sake of argument, lets say you're correct. Lets say that you are emotionally scarred your entire life once someone rapes you. How is this akin to murder? How is ending someone's life the same as changing, or scarring someone's life. There are a lot of things in life that will scar you forever, especially since such things are subjective. An adultress woman will scar you for life. Should she be punished by death? Life in prison? 25+ years? Being raised in a religious household which tells you to reject facts in favor of faith will scar you for life. Should those parents be serving time with convicted murderers? Being scarred for life is not the same as having your life ended.

The effects of being raped as well as murder also effects the familes around both familes that are involved, it's basically the same thing except one person usually lives, one does not.

The only person that has put it on par is you,

Actually, if you once again reread the OP, it was Jessifer who originally did it. That's what sparked this post. Since then, Jizmo has done so as well.

I believe there are rare cases where it's justified...id est mass murderers, child rapists and such.

Well their state of minds are usually somewhat similar, they're both fucked up and probably need to be locked away for life anyways.

Yes, but has no one noticed that I didn't just say rape in general? I said quite specifically child rapists. It's one thing to rape someone who's able to even have a chance to defend themselves, it's another to rape a small child who never had the possibility to.

Yes, but has no one noticed that I didn't just say rape in general? I said quite specifically child rapists. It's one thing to rape someone who's able to even have a chance to defend themselves, it's another to rape a small child who never had the possibility to.

I wanted to discuss rape in general. Your comment just sparked it. And even in the case of child molestation, the same arguments apply.

I wanted to discuss rape in general. Your comment just sparked it. And even in the case of child molestation, the same arguments apply.

Well, you need to be more specific about it next time, chief...

For argument purposes. Rape probably isn't the same as murder, UNLESS, the murder isn't physical. What if you murder somebody with poison, something non-physical..? That basically nullifies the whole case of physicality.

I feel that rape, in today's society, isn't viewed as badly as it was in the past. I personally find it deplorable, for obvious reasons to those who know me, but it happens so often that it's really become to be viewed as more of a nuacance in the minds of people who wouldn't actually understand what exactly it's like to go through it.

Then there's people who fake stories just for attention, which only increases the desensitization towards the subject in general. I find more people who have the mindset of "Oh, you were raped? Sucks to be you." It doesn't really so much bother me as make wonder.

Well, you need to be more specific about it next time, chief...

I don't really see any ambiguity in "why do people consider rape to be that bad." It really didn't matter whether I was referring to child rape, or rape in general, however I did mean rape in general. I thought that would be gathered by the fact that the topic was about rape. Was I expecting too much? I think not, because even you had gathered that much. I don't see why you're complaining about me being ambiguous now, when you already understood the context of my post in that respect.

For argument purposes. Rape probably isn't the same as murder, UNLESS, the murder isn't physical. What if you murder somebody with poison, something non-physical..? That basically nullifies the whole case of physicality.

What?

For argument purposes. Rape probably isn't the same as murder, UNLESS, the murder isn't physical. What if you murder somebody with poison, something non-physical..? That basically nullifies the whole case of physicality.

To the loved ones of the dead, murder is murder regardless of whether or not there's blood involved.

And now I'm off for another week. Adieu.

The stoics would argue that anyone can be happy in any situation, we just choose to be unhappy. So the "scarred for life" argument doesn't really hold, in my opinion.

Rape is not on par with murder, in my opinion.

It really isn't on par with murder, however I do believe the reason the punishment is so high is serving as to deter people from doing that.