hotdog said:
The only reason people talk like that mj is because they want to be different and the desire to be different or to be the same is ultimatly what causes most of the worlds problems.
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I strongly disagree. If you ever met me in person, it is highly likely that I would talk in what is labeled "ebonics." This, for me, is not a conscious decision. I speak in that dialect because that is what I have grown up around. This is not because my parents speak in ebonics, they are probably two of the most eloquent speakers you will ever meet, however in the neighborhood I grew up in the use of ebonics is pervasive.
Yes, I have the ability to speak proper English, but in a natural, comfortable setting what comes out is "black" speak. This has
nothing to do with the desire to be different. In fact, if I wanted to be different, I would talk the way I do on the forums in real life. You could argue that it has to do with the desire to be the same, but I disagree. The term desire implies a conscious decision. As far as I'm concerned, the accent and slang that I use is mostly a subconscious decision.
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Throwing aside your politically biased views you really need to ask your self why should the law of this land apply to people in other lands? That is THE most pig-headed thing I have ever heard an American say and believe me you guys are bad when it comes to being Imperialistic, yet at the same time you can spout out an incredibly humanitarian view in the same post. If you ask me your a rather strange subject mj I can't pinpoint your views exactly but don't you fret I'm still going to study you
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Perhaps I misunderstood your earlier post. I was under the impression that you were talking about permanent residents of the United States rather than people who are living elsewhere. KA seems to have been talking about immigrants, who do have certain rights in the United States, citizen or not.
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Why is it called Ebonics anyways? I hear more white people talk like that than black people if anything I would say its Leblanconics or Wiessonics. In fact most black people I know hate that dialect.
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You must not know the black folks I know.
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Mj the biggest reason I hate it is not because you sound like an idiot when you speak but because it is completely possible for an extremist group like the KKK or even some Neo Nazi group to make a dialect for white people, which would only create an even bigger gap between people than there already is. The worst part is that IF it gets that bad we might just have some kind of race wars and it won't end there because then white people would use the excuse of not understanding black people in court to get off of all the lynching charges...
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Dialects aren't usually politically motivated. They generally aren't
created either, they evolve naturally. I would say that there
is a white (and by white, I mean country) dialect, especially if one comes down to Texas. In my opinion, the folks who use the redneck dialect sound just as ridiculous as those who use ebonics. In fact, the English language has so many rules and is so ambiguous in places that I wonder if it is possible for anyone at all to know and speak 100% proper English. Once again, if you want to ameliorate ambiguity in the way people speak, I reccomend forcing everyone to learn Lojban.