Battle! Seymour vs. Seifer

An ally at last. You are knowledgable in FF. I commend you. I indead stated earlier that Seifer was hot-headed.

I'm getting off now. See the thread tomorrow.

If someone doesn't close this I'm gonna nuke zelaron HQ.

Odin the King of the Instant Death Move must have been pretty pissed off at pretty boy Almasy to charge him like that, and Gilgamesh appears, to finish what Odin had begun but forgot to finish.

Actualy Odin must have judge him very dishonorable and not worthy of leaving.
But to his great suprise Seifer was more agile,faster and stronger then he expected.
So Seifer chopped him like nothing !

And yes, Gilgamesh's Zantetsuken move was performed by using Odin's sword. Were they sort of comrades or something?

From what i think it s *this is only a theory* Odin Sword was actualy Gilgamesh sword that Odin must of won somehow ! (Training or Contest) Gilgamesh received back his sword upon the death of Odin.

As for Seymour VS Seifer, Seymour wins, hands down. If you just take away Aura and other of those cheap spells in FFVIII Seymour would squash him flat like a pancake.

If your talking about when he was whit the party i have to agree.
But it s not from when he was in the party he is much faster and stronger when you fight him for the last time.
But then again not many did battle him so they dont understand. Since most ppl had Odin and gilgamesh doesnt come when Seifer dead but after some time.

You keep defending Seifer but you can't come up with shit on how Deymour is weak in emotions and stuff. Seifer's arrogance and impulsiveness would only lead to destruction.

So Gilgamesh was actually looking for ODIN?!

As for Seifer, yes, he's really persistent, and he's quick, agile, and God knows what else; and he has TONS of Aura with him (command: draw, stock, repeat) and why didn't he use it on himself?! I mean COME ON! But then again, he must have HAD a reason, if he used Aura on himself then do that No Mercy Limit Brek again and again on Squall and Co. we could be all decimated before the next 5 seconds. But Seymour has all those nasty spells with him, and Seifer isn't that well-equipped for fighting with him, unless he has those appropriate spells junctioned to each of his stats. I guess when he went into battle with Seymour, he has all of them equipped which makes for not a one-sided battle.

So...

Seymour (ultimate magic-casting-bastard) VS
Seifer (ultimate hotheaded-bastard) =


SEYMOUR!

Why?!

Even if Seifer has all those proper junctions on, if he just pummels his rapier gunblade or whatever at Seymour, he'd STILL definitely lose. Seifer is hotheaded, whereas Seymour thinks before he acts. It's like sending Cloud to battle Emerald Weapon with all proper Materia on him except he goes Berserk. WHOA. !@#^$&%*~~~!!! Thank God for RIBBONS....^________^

You mean Ruby don't you?

Seifer doesn't have a GF when he fights you guys. Only in Dollet. So he has to rely only on the powers granted to him by Ultamecia. He's nothing but a strong toy, being manipulated by a big, bad sorceress. His slashes as I have said before would not do anything! Even with Haste, Seymour's spells and abillities would overwhelm Seifer.

Seymour's defense added up from all his forms is 146. His Magic Defense is 146 also. Seifer loses. I really don't feel like saying anymore. Seymour's arsenal is just to impressive.

Where the hell you see his power are granted by ultimecia ?
Thats the biggest Bullshit i readed Lie and make-up story can stay in your head but keep them away from zelaron melee !

Tell Me Where ! He has TRUE POWER ! Squall would have his chance against Seymour !
Yet Seifer can TOTALY RAVAGE Squall in a 1on1.

Seymour weakness it s that he would be FASTER (you said you were sick to see that but you clearly dont know what it mean)
Is it that actualy hard to understand that ?

Seifer would deal less damage per hit ! but hit MUCH MORE often making him actualy do much more damage in the long run !

Hit whit gunblade + Bang get shot ? it gota Hurt !

His slashes as I have said before would not do anything!.

Why not oh yeah i forgot... Toothpick ability.

Seymour's defense added up from all his forms is 146. His Magic Defense is 146 also. Seifer loses. I really don't feel like saying anymore. Seymour's arsenal is just to impressive.

Seymour's defense added up from all his forms ?
I have a little problem whit that.
Either you didnt say it right or you Added up the def of all his form and it gave you 146 and decided it was his def ? If so thats none sense anyway.

Statistics shouldn't matter. You can say he has high, solid defense, but bringing in numbers wouldn't strengthen your point.

Maybe he does have a good physical def. or maybe not if you stacked up all his def point. If you stacked .... This aint Dragon Ball Z fusion stuff.
But Anyway the point is Seifer is using NO TOOTHPICK NOR A BUTTER KNIFE !
So he would deal a good or huge ammount of damage !
And again i gonna say it yeah be ready you know what i gonna say but you seem to not actualy understand what it mean !
His speed !!!! here an idea ! http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=speed
Maybe you will understand. If not you can always ask your parents to tell you.
Thats what would make his damage become Greater then the 1 of Seymour if good damage.
But if you stacked up all his form def and making him not even ok in pdef it would be huge damage and in that case... Seymour would just get ownazored !

You can't simply add up all the defense of magic def. Even if the numbers mattered, at no point is his defense or magic defense EVER at 146. That is the silliest thing I've read here as of yet.

The thing is, Seifer is massively more powerful than Seymour and would cleave him in two with the precise amount of effort as a chainsaw cutting through a fat man's stomach. It's cake. And if you don't realize it, then you haven't paid much attention to the actual battles in the games. Kuja's #1, I'm pretty sure you realize that Seifer would win and you just tried to pull something that sounded slightly logical out of your ass and slapped it in this thread. Seymour most definately has absolutely no chance in Hell, Heaven, Earth, nor does he have any chance in Wisconsin. End of story.

Nicely said Robotic !

So Gilgamesh was actually looking for ODIN?!

After checking carefully what happen and what Gilgamesh say.

Squall: "Odin....!?"
Seifer: "Hah, I won't go down that easy."
"Show me what you got, Squall."
"Let me add another scar for you!"
Gilgamesh: "You gave me? the 4th one...!"
"Huh? Was it you...?"
"Then dodge my sword!"
"Eat this!!!"

I came to the conclusion that Gilgamesh would of been Odin Teacher for his Zantetsuken technique and he gave him 1 of his swords.
Then when he got the 4th back he figured his student got Slaugthered by Seifer so he owned him !

STFU Kuja.

Where do you see his powers being learned naturally? How do you know all his powers weren't just given to him by Ultamecia's magic? She could definately do it.
Why do you insist on helping Seifer? All you say is Hast plus Melee plus slash plus Limit Break could win. Unforutanately for Seifer his magics and Limit aren't enough to kill Seymour. He need only to use Cura and some form of magic or abillity. What abillities does Seifer have that could bring Seymour to his knees? None.

With the mortibody curing him he is free to attack. So everytime Seifer attacksed, cua and Flare or something. So let's look at it that way.

Seifer slashes alot and occasionally uses magic.

Seymour casts powerful magics why the Mortibody perform Cura on him.

Seifer cast haste and does even more damage.

Mortibody would use Desperado and seymour would use Dispel.

Seifer hastes himself again.

Mortibody uses Shattering Claw and Seymour uses Flare.

Seifers Cura wouldn't keep him alive for along. So Seymour is free to attack why Seifer has to waste a turn Curing himself.

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Sorry to double post but Robotic you are incorrect. His defense stat in Omnis is 180. So please don't try to prove me wrong. Its a statistical impossibillity when it concerns an FF character I really like.

Did you even read my posts? God your not even listing a reason how he could win. I paid much attention to FFVIII and Seifer. I like him. He is strong but do you honestly think that No Mercy and Firega can stand up to Total Anihillation and Ultima? If you do, you don't know shit about Seymour.

STFU Kuja.

Now now i think it s time for your 2nd chill pill stop being so stupid.

Where do you see his powers being learned naturally? How do you know all his powers weren't just given to him by Ultamecia's magic? She could definately do it.

So YOU ASSUME ? This isnt based on a assume that maybe if she can that it could !
I can Assume TOO then !
I now Assume that His Gunblade got recently equiped whit Nucklear Bomb !
I now Assume Seifer found the ARMOR OF INVULNERABILITY !!
I Assume That ARMOR OF INVULNERABILITY KILL INSTANTLY ANY 1 WHITIN 5000 Feet !
Want me 2 assume more ?
Stop assuming and fucken give it up your big fat monkey doesnt stand a chance against SEIFER !

Seifer always BEEN superior to squall and he was still superior to him in the end !
That doesnt mean he borrowed his power !

Why do you insist on helping Seifer? All you say is Hast plus Melee plus slash plus Limit Break could win.

Hum Maybe you MISSED on something ?

Lol he a freaking melee and what about Seymour ?? Spell, Spell, Spell, Spell ? Thats it ? THINK ABOUT IT !! Melee ARE MELEE. Fill the blank. 1. Melee fight in _____ combat ! 2. Caster fight by _______ ! Well in case you cant fill the blank here the awnser 1. Melee 2. Casting

He need only to use Cura and some form of magic or abillity.

Here again you compare CURA NOT EVEN CURAGA !!!! to a fucken ELIXIR !!!

What abillities does Seifer have that could bring Seymour to his knees? None.

Your very sad ... i think i said it 2 many time .... but here goes
--sorry for the smart ppl have to read it again but maybe he will understand this time ...--

Seifer is using NO TOOTHPICK NOR A BUTTER KNIFE ! So he would deal a good or huge ammount of damage ! And again i gonna say it yeah be ready you know what i gonna say but you seem to not actualy understand what it mean ! His speed !!!! here an idea ! http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=speed Maybe you will understand. If not you can always ask your parents to tell you. Thats what would make his damage become Greater then the 1 of Seymour

I ready your F'N POSTS! STOP QUOTING!

I am not comparing him to an imp with a toothpick or whatever! He is strong but not strong enough. If you're not gonna take a word I've said in, then I'm done. I keep pointing it out but you completely miss it! Seifer's abillities and attacks could not damage Seymour! They're to weak!! That's it in a nut shell. He can't hardly hurt Seymour and the only attacks that can trully damage him are his Limits!

About Cura, it is powerful and could easilly render everythin Seifer's done to him to nothing. You didn't even mention Seifer's Cura. I said that Seymour could cast magic and kill him. He could Cura himslef but Seymour could just attack again and again.

You know, I honestly don't think your brain can take all this in. You seem to understand the corner of what I'm saying but not the whole concept.

If someone doesnt understand a thing it s you.
Squall would have his chance against Seymour yet Seifer is faster, Stronger, More Agile and VERY GIFTED ! Not to forget Squall isnt someone whit normal or slow speed! So whit haste ? He is MUCH faster.
Now IMAGINE SEIFER WHIT HASTE !

(You know TIME BAR ?) There is a REASON for THEM and there is a reason why melee ACHIEVE HIGHER SPEED then caster ! And well again SEIFER SPEED IS VERY HIGH WHILE HASTED !

And if your not Making Seifer look like a imp You make Cura look like it can heal MUCH more then he can do whit his own black magic ! Thats Plain Bullshit You Exagerating his power and downgrading Seifer.

Oh let s look at something shall we ?

Seymour ....
MP: 999 so we could say somewhat LOW mp for sunch a so called GREAT magic user ?
Evasion: 0
So let s say
he CANNOT evade ANYTHING !
Accuracy: 0
And here
HIS ACCURACY IS NULL HE WOULDNT BE ABLE TO THROW A ROCK AT HIMSELF WHITOUT HAVING CHANCE TO MISS !!

Now Tell me how is he gonna hit Seifer often whit that kind of Accuracy ? And let s not forget Seifer High evade ability !
Lol whit that kind of accuracy he could kill himself ! Also let s not forget thatin close combat wouldnt he be damaging himself whit that kind of spell he using ?

Seifer Chop That buffon in 2!

I thought you said something about statistics not mattering? Anyway since he is technically ALL his former selves, his accuracy is ALWAYS 100. So your point falls invalid.

I'm gnna post maybe one more time. K_A was right. This thread is WAYYY to long.

Lol i actualy was sure you would say something that dumb.

Just read this cause im sure you dont even remember it.

Statistics shouldn't matter. You can say he has high, solid defense, but bringing in numbers wouldn't strengthen your point.

And this is what i done !
I turned number into description.
No Acurracy.
No evasion.
Low MP for caster ...

His stats Go against his *100% accuracy* this isnt based in final fantasy where everything HIT ! Ranged Stuff Can be dodge !

Maybe it s 2 long but s it s only because you cannot see the Greater power that Seifer is.

Final Reply

Kuja its been great talking with ya, but I am really getting sick of this. Its just not as interesting. You had some good points but I'm done.

Seifer's spped and strength are nothing. Seymours accuracy would be enough to nail a couple hundred times with various spells. Even with melee on his side, Seifer can't bee someone so formiddable and dangerous.

The problem of all this is your underestimating the power of melee !

Speed and strength isnt nothing IT S A LOT !
And Maybe his accuracy would be enought in close range since the spell are big !
But using sunch devastating spell in close range would Damage him also ! Making his hp drop even quicker !

For total anihilation ?
If seifer is close when he get the first hit !
Seymour jump !
And before Seymour do his attack Seifer can run behind Seymour to avoid his attack since Seymour doesnt have good accuracy and speed he wouldnt have time/accuracy to turn arround and do his attack !
So he would blow up all in front of him while Seifer would actualy be behind receiving no damage and he would also be Bashing Seymour !

More i bring stuff more it show how Seifer would Destroy Seymour ...

God damnit if someone doesn't close this thread in the next few hours I'm gonna launch my refridgerator at zelaron HQ full of cherry bombs and fried rice.

Stop making such long posts, it would take me a whole day to read this thread.

How about next Zelaron Melee we don't have any FF characters fight.