Sorc build?

Fireball sorc can stay at a further range and cast fireball.
When orb get close to fireball sorc tele away. Since orb is slow it basicly wont hit.

Why would it change ? Well, have you ever heard of synergy ?

Ever heard the saying, the best advice, is YOUR OWN? WHY, facts, stupid shit? West is NOT > east... on SC, yes, this is true, but on d2, NO it is not. D2 is not as serious a game as SC, why?, because it takes little to NO skill to be good, all you need to be good at is Math. Determine(sp) the best possible way to outfit your char, the optimal level, stats.. than get a low ping, and your set. I've dueled with the best necros on east (d2_rhino) I've seen the best sorcs on east duel, THEY USED ORB. (09, though) Because FB is harder to aim, doesn't mean its the better skill to use, what horrible gook logik.

man your white logic is so stupid, gook logik > your logic period, kuja even agrees with the facts of what im saying as would anybody else thats ACTUALLY SMART ENOUGH to figure out on their own to get optimal stats/skills, why the fuck are you so ignorant mayb its cuz ur just stupid? and cant accept the fact that ony subclass have adv/disadvantage and stop thinking orb >all thats quite nOOb-ish, over all your just wrong admit it like a good boy

Hey, im white!

LOL, blck, you OBVIOUSLY have never done any SvS dueling, fb is just TOO slow..

The whole advantage of orb, is its huge radius, and the fact that it stays on the field so long, you estimate where they go, they TP into the orb.. done?

FB has a small radius, is off the screen in a second, range does not matter, really, as long as it goes as far as your screen, than your good...

The only reason FB is even any good, is the insane damage of such a cookie-cutter build.

LOL, blck, you OBVIOUSLY have never done any SvS dueling, fb is just TOO slow..

Lol, now thats ironic. Frozen orb is slower So if fireball is 2 slow imagine how useless orb is...

The whole advantage of orb, is its huge radius, and the fact that it stays on the field so long, you estimate where they go, they TP into the orb.. done?

Teleport in it... They wont die from it but anyway only noob teleport in an area where orb is casted. Mostly when your casting fireball that has bigger range then orb.

FB has a small radius, is off the screen in a second, range does not matter, really, as long as it goes as far as your screen, than your good...

How the hell would it not matter ? It would make me fire from a further distance! Making orb not even reaching me while i can pull some hits with fireball. I am starting to think you been dueling ppl with mental skill equal to a quil rat...

Fireball doesnt travel fast enough to hit someone off screen, is what I am saying..

Kuja, you play east realm, would you like me to stomp you like I did on sc?

Lol stomp me on starcraft. If beating someone on starcraft on their first game after a 6 months + stop is what you call skill then you are a really sad kid.

I would duel you but my cdkey is banned im trying to get one to see if my accounts are banned or not.

The funny thing is you keep destroying your own argument by trying to say fireball suck.

Orb is much slower then Fireball. So if fireball is to slow Orb is way to slow.

Fireball sorc always kill from very far. Orb Range is much smaller making it they have to be closer.

Can you grasp the concept ? If they need to be closer they have to teleport to the fireball sorc. You know what that mean or do i have to explain more ? By reaching to fire sorc they reach in a field of Hydra and Fireball going at them. When they reach the fire sorc. All that happen is the fire sorc teleport away. If fireball is to slow to hit what you think will happen with orb against a sorc that will just tele away before orb is even cast ? Then the fire sorc follow same step again...

A few days ago you were thinking fireball sorc were fucken weakling that wouldnt be able to kill anything else then a cripled quil rat. Now you actualy see that they can kill quickly but you aint even able to understand the simple concept of how to use them.

LOL, blck, you OBVIOUSLY have never done any SvS dueling, fb is just TOO slow.. The whole advantage of orb, is its huge radius, and the fact that it stays on the field so long, you estimate where they go, they TP into the orb.. done? FB has a small radius, is off the screen in a second, range does not matter, really, as long as it goes as far as your screen, than your good... The only reason FB is even any good, is the insane damage of such a cookie-cutter build.

you should really listen to yourself sounds like you have never done SvS if you knew any better which you dont i will explain it to you HYDRA CONTROLLS THE FIELD. listen to kuja he thinks as i do, as well would apoq on this matter if he played 1.10.

They are so powerful, because they are OVERPOWERED, I'm sorry I did not realize how bad blizzard messed up in 1.10...

I had a .09 FIREBALL PVP SORC, and aiming FB is far harder than aiming orb and 10x less effective...

Please, all your saying is 'more range!!! it must be better because it can go further and its insane 1 hit kills!'

Listen to my points PLEASE, and counter them...

Orb = slow
Orb = LARGE radius, impossible to miss if you tp close enough, try aiming a fb and dodgin arrows at the same time.
Orb = The 2nd best PvP skill in .09, why would it suddenly be bad, unless it did NO damage, but it does fairly good damage..

I think you just plainly missed a part of my post.
No, nm you missed the WHOLE post.

Check clearly the thing that destroy your whole argument.
Sorc get near and cast orb. You know that fire sorc can just tele away and keep on going ? Or just attack and your sorc will be stuck in recovery till it die because of hydra and fireball.

Did i say that Frozen Orb Sucked ? No, i said Fireball is MUCH better.

So what if it was best, 2nd best, 3rd best or worst skill in 1.09. Did you know there was lot of change from 1.09 to 1.10 ? Stop living in the past.

Yes, but you have to stop and AIM, tp randomly (patternless) and cast orbs, they run into them, you herd them basically..

HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT?

How did i miss your post, i included the 1 point you had (range, useless? pretty much..)

Yes, but you have to stop and AIM, tp randomly (patternless) and cast orbs, they run into them, you herd them basically.. HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT? How did i miss your post, i included the 1 point you had (range, useless? pretty much..)

point being? you have to do something similar with hydra, teleport cast, rinse and repeat, thus getinng an oppertunity to cast fball when vunerable.

HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT?

nice logic there buddy also that range is like ibs ever hear of iga and ifb??? guess not

You cant herd a fireball sorc...

Thats the whole thing you aint getting. Thats probably the whole misconception of your whole sorc duel. You just let ppl get near you. Well it doesnt work that way with fireball. You wont herd them cause you will be the one coming to the fire sorc while the guy cast fireball and you tele in a field of hydra. Once you get to the fire sorc what you think happen?
Fire sorc tele AWAY! AWAY AWAY. Not in the orb like a noob.

Your basing your whole strategy on something stupid.

A. Fire sorc will stand still without keeping in bigger distance then Frozen orb range and will not be able to aim in close range while you cast Frozen Orb.

Or

B. Fire sorc will be stupid and teleport for NO REASON directly in a frozen orb.

And in either case you seem to completly ignore hydra that seem to be inexistant for you.

You did miss my post it is clear.

let me resume.

Hydra controlling battle field.
Fireball Bigger range
Fireball Casting speed
Fireball Huge Damage
Fireball Do not need direct hit to deal damage
Fireball sorc do NOT CHASE as they have RANGE ADVANTAGE!
AGAIN FIREBALL SORC DO NOT CHASE!
Again ? Let's move to another point i hope i dont need to say it again...
Actualy il almost say same thing again.
Since Fireball Sorc DO NOT CHASE! They wont teleport in middle of a Frozen Orb FOR NO REASON!
Since sorc TELEPORT AWAY when a Frozen Orb sorc get near THEY DO NOT GET HIT!
You cannot kill what you cannot hit!
Here another one i already said! Hydra help controlling the battle field and deal damage on occasion!

Not only that, they nerfed Orb damage in 1.10. In 1.09, you still needed a pretty good aim to kill with orb. It's the same with fireball, just requires more finesse.

As Kuja said in some thread a month or two ago, 1.10 is requiring more skill to PvP in due to the fact most of the 'cheese' skills have been nerfed (WW, Orb, Hydra, Piercing Guided).

If you think about it, Fireball would be easier to hit with in some respects... I mean:

a. It's Faster (Movement-wise)
b. It has no 'cool-down' time.
c. It's range goes beyond the screen.

If you got Hydra to help herd them, you can lay down a pattern to catch them, or the Hydras may even stun them, making for a simple kill. I fail to see how Orb is still a superior spell.

Orb sorcs are aggressive, tp passed hydras (EASY TO DODGE) hit you with orb, it's that simple, its nearly impossible to hit a tping sorc with fireball...

If Hydras are easy to dodge from multiple angles, what makes Frozen Orb so different? It's practically the same thing.

He doesnt seem to get the part of Fire sorc teleporting away when he get near. I dont see how you can hit something that is gone when you arrive... If he cast orb while the fire sorc tele away he will most likely start to get hit by hydra a few time. Whilethe fire sorc is already away and shooting fireball at ice sorc...

Thats why you find the pattern, orb where they tp, and herd them into the orbs.. orb is a bunch of ice bolts, hydra is 3 fire bolts.. they both have casting delay, orb is MUCH better.

Man you really dont get it...

You cannot herd a fire sorc. You cant herd someone in a defensive mode!

There wouldnt be 1 hydra. It would be 1-5 hydra.
Thats not with what sorc kill... Hydra are merly there to help out controling the field. Fireball does the killing did you read any of the post or you just see fire and say "pattern, ice own, offensive fire sorc!"

Fire sorc are not offensive therefore cannot be herded. You find their pattern ? Fine, BRAVO! What is it gonna do to help you ? You wont be able to get near them as when you get close to same screen they are already teleporting away while you are about to land in a field of hydra.

As far as i remember sorc do not have time stop ability or shit like that. You cant just teleport next to a firesorc while it just sit there hoping they can shove the staff up their ass a little more while they wait for you to cast frozen orb.

You cannot kill what you cannot hit.

K, ill try to make a picture for you (ESPECIALLY HELPFUL IF YOU FIGURE OUT THEIR PATTERN)

you = x
me = y
hydras = h
orb = o
FB = f

[FIG 1]
h h y
x o h
h h

In fig one, you surround yourself with hydras, staying close to them, i come in from side, throw orb in middle, go around other side throw another orb, moving you into my last one, possibly ts smacking your life a bit

[FIG 2]
y
/
o o x o-y
/ o----y
y

Try hitting an orb sorc when shes tping around you at an incredibly speed, stopping for only a split second to throw a random orb.. hoping oyu tp into it, while you throw a small fireball trying to hit me?