God - Devil

titus, was the refering to me? i just started this topic up. i wanna be friends not enemies

No, actually this one wasn't! It was towards, Bob, his Gf, and HH... They are repetitive and annoying in this conversation...

*hands titus a massive reaping Bazooka.

*Titus grabs the Bazooka and in one swift motion, readies, aims, and fires it at this thread, blowing it and all its pointless posts to smitherines....*

*Drops the Bazooka, and casually walks away as if nothing had happened...*

I'm not trying to push anyone to atheism, I am simply explaining my logic. I respect other people's beliefs even if I myself think they are wrong, I would never put anyone down for them.

Well many ppl also claim to have seen ufo's, the loch ness monster, bigfoot, the abominable snow man (etc etc...).

I'm sure we dont believe all of these simple because they were seen by many people and documented...

Bob, do you know how bloody stupid people were back then? How much percentage of their brain they used?
They were basically open to hypnotic suggestion. Perhaps that is why they think they saw it?
There are many possiblities, I, however, do not believe magic is one of them.
What if I got a group together, say, 10, 000 men all saying that they have forseen this beast of the future as well. And say I got them to all say that I turned all Coke in all of the USA to Sprite.
How would you know that all the Coke just wasn't REPLACED with Sprite?
I'm willing to bet that if people did see the water go red, he just had someone in the Pharoah's pyramid replace it with blood, and they just spilled a bunch of water coloring or actual blood into a small part of the sea to give the reflection of water.
I remember way back before the white man killed off most the Native-Americans, they would sit by trees waiting for signs that they could break off a branch. Anything would do. Perhaps a bird landed on the tree, or a wolf walked by, or a cloud in the shape of the tree passed overhead.
One part of the ocean turning red, maybe all the people took it as a sign that all of it were?

No, actually this one wasn't! It was towards, Bob, his Gf, and HH... They are repetitive and annoying in this conversation...

Actually, the debate between Hell Hound and I is in the "Sex" thread, not this one. And, in my defense, I realized that it was becoming repetitive and stated,

If no one can comment rationally to my previous post, then I consider this matter closed.

To which, of course, I got no replies, only arguments on other aspects of the debate.

You obviously did not read / misread my post.
Mine is just simple logic to what is most likely to of what happened.
I choose not to believe in the Easter Bunny, or any of his magical friends / myths.
Lots of people claim they saw the real Santa Claus, adults and kids alike. Do you believe in Santa?

I obviously didn't reply to your post since I began it with a quote from Titus. But, I will address it now.

You said that it would be convincing if you got a group of 10,000 people to agree with everything you say. It would be convincing, but 10,000 people will never agree with everything you say. There will always be troublemakers, and there will be those around who will simply be defiant.

To nitpick, people would have coke, and it would not turn to sprite.

And, what relevance does tearing a branch from a tree have?

Your explination of turning water to blood is... almost feasable, but think of the plagues of frogs, gnats, flies, and locusts?? Could you rig that up... a couple thousand years ago? I wouldn't say so. And the hail, and the curse of the livestock dieing, and the 1st born children dying.

I don't see any other explination other than divine intervention.

i think they could rig up somethin like that to create a pool of blood...think of the sphynx and the pyramids

i think they could rig up somethin like that to create a pool of blood...think of the sphynx and the pyramids

Yes... I just said it's feasable that it could be rigged. That's why I gave about 10 other examples of things that could not be rigged.

well...it's basically just taking the word of what the book has 2 say...no proving or disproving it here...

There were witnesses. Actually, everyone in the whole damn kingdom witnessed these miracles.

And, for the validation of the particular book of the Bible with this information in it, it would never have been put into the Bible without confirmation by witnesses. Also, it is not only accepted today, but has been accepted until today as true.

The people would believe anything a Pharoah said. That is just the way it went.

Your explination of turning water to blood is... almost feasable, but think of the plagues of frogs, gnats, flies, and locusts?? Could you rig that up... a couple thousand years ago? I wouldn't say so. And the hail, and the curse of the livestock dieing, and the 1st born children dying. I don't see any other explination other than divine intervention.

Frogs, locusts, and the others, who knows they could of gathered them. Set some kind of a trap for them then released a couple hundred. People were very ignorant back then and believed that one small thing was part of a larger thing.
Plague... Hmm... How sanitary were they back then??
Livestock dying... Shit just feed them poison or poison the food and it spreads to all of them. I doubt they had armed gaurd gaurding the food for the cows back then.
Divine intervention? You think that is more feasible than poison?

geese this is a lot of useless talk here. Most of this is completly off topic, but that seems to happen a lot lol.

So Da you don't believe that people can tell the future??

Maybe by trying to predict the most possible outcomes, they can predict the most possible future.
After that it would just be chance and coincidence as usual.

I hate this discussion...

Sorry Bob, I got threads confused, but you still got my point.

The people would believe anything a Pharoah said. That is just the way it went. Frogs, locusts, and the others, who knows they could of gathered them. Set some kind of a trap for them then released a couple hundred. People were very ignorant back then and believed that one small thing was part of a larger thing. Plague... Hmm... How sanitary were they back then?? Livestock dying... Shit just feed them poison or poison the food and it spreads to all of them. I doubt they had armed gaurd gaurding the food for the cows back then. Divine intervention? You think that is more feasible than poison?

Well first, it wasn't a couple hundred locusts. They completely destroyed the crops. And second, you totally skipped over the worst curse. The curse of the 1st born dying.

And yes, I think divine intervention is more feasable than the collective coloring of water, the gathering of tens of thousands of frogs, gnats, locusts, and flies, the deaths of thousands of livestock, and the deaths of many first born children all at the same time.

For all you know the Pharoah could of ORDERED his servants (AKA Egypt) to do all that, or to say all that.
He could of burned crops and spread salt over them, as they did back then.
The babies, maybe the men just killed them all because the Pharoah said hmm?
Magic powers.... Ooooohhhhhh.
Must be a real comfort when you begin to think of your innevitable demise, thinking there will be a nice place to go.
And maybe it was all just made up by some ordinary guy way way back when who just either 1. wanted attention and never thought it'd stick 2. was crazy 3. wanted to control the general population with religion, if you think about it it does sound "feasable" I mean, "No stealing, no killing" blah blah blah "or else you'll go to hell for all eternity." Maybe he realized that a few years in jail wouldn't be sufficent enough to stop as much crime as this would. I mean, when you compare them, what's a couple years in jail compared to all eternity in a pit of flames right?
Or maybe we just got our records inccorectly, it happens quite often with information this old.
Perhaps all that happened was a man dropped a baby on his head, killing it, wrote it in some obscure mannar which would later be found by some archealogist and misinterpreted.
And maybe the locusts was a wasp that stung a couple people and then went about it's business.
The frogs maybe a few lizards that went into town for warmth or whatnot.
You have no proof for thinking magic is behind anything at all, but it is more possible for a bunch of small brained no-education villagers to obscurely write a record down somewhere, where somebody would find it in the future, and misinterpret it.
Why assume magic? Just so you can feel better about when you die?
PS - This thread is hopeless, I was meaning to only post the once instead it turned into a never-ending debate with no hope of any possible outcome.
I will stop visiting this thread.

The babies, maybe the men just killed them all because the Pharoah said hmm?

Do you know anyone, anyone at all, who would kill their first born son because their king, or president, would tell them to? Better yet, do you know EVERYONE that would do that? Because that is what happened to everyone who didn't have a goat blood on their front door.

There is absolutely no way in Hell that everyone would murder their first born son on the whim of a pharoah.

it's possible back then...and ofcourse we're going on pure written word again...that doesn't necesarrily have 2 be true

It is not possible back then. It was not possible back then either. I don't know one person who would kill his son, much less an entire kingdom of them. Whatever distorted morals you think people had back then, I can assure you that it was not accepted to kill one's own son upon anybody's word.