Zelaron needs changes

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I'm pretty sure that a, an, and the are the only articles in the English language.

Exactly. So in a one word story, you couldn't use any articles.

I don't have a problem w/ slaynish most of the time. Its just that day, it was blatently obvious he was spamming for the sole purpose of spamming. No one cares if he gets to 4000 posts, and when he's calling me a "Im a badass, but really a pussy" type person. I don't see how he got that from any of my posts. But w/e.

To bad I missed that overly active period. What exactly do you think spurred that? Thats the question you really need to be asking, Why was it so unactive when I joined, then active when I left, now its unactive again? Whats that you say? NO! I will not leave.

Soon the less dedicated members will get bored and start leaving. The more dedicated members will have less and less to talk about, and even they will eventually lose their patience and start checking Zelaron less and less. Eventually, it'll just be here, with hardly any posts, unless we do get some new members. If newer members arrive, then the old members will have reason to constantly visit here.

You do have a damn good point there. So we need new memebers. Hmmm, I suggest setting up a membership recruiting commity, anyone can join as long as you will actually put forth some energy. The members that go to school would be especially helpfull. Tell the gamers at you school about us, via word of mouth, or a flyer on a bulletin board. Do it discreetly if you don't wanna look dorky. Anyone that goes to Halo2 partys. Things of that sort.
Maybe we should get a bot set up and put it in a chatroom of Yahoo! I know thats demeaning but hey. Or maybe Yahoo groups could be helpfull?

How about we set up a contest of some sort and advertise it over the internet. That would bring in tons of people. It would have to be hard, something to do w/ games, and not avalible to current members.
Blah Blah Blah!!! Zelaron.com giving away a free PSP... Blah Blah! See Zelaron.com for more details.
I'm sure someone could make something spiffy for the main page to lure them into the forums. Then have a Offical Contest Thread or something.
My ideas.

Edit:

Just realize since I've been back, we don't have a "main page" thats nifty

Agreed.

I say it again, Arcade is the key!

heh

WoW is obviously the new D2 as far as luring new members in goes. I think since D2 has gone out the window, we obviously need to find a niche again to draw in new members.

The problem is, that everyone and their mothers have a WoW site right now. We need to add something that theirs don't have. It won't be the same like we had with D2, as Blizzard is likely to crack down on WoW Hacking sites (which is obviously what drew 99% of our D2 members here).

If our niche isn't WoW, then so be it. But we need to think of an effective method of drawing people to the site. The Flame Forum is dead, and our community (while some are talented for it) is not exactly the type who would support a serious Flame Forum that would attract people. To be frank, it would likely draw people that most of us wouldn't really care to associate with anyway.

It's rather difficult to think of something to draw new members, however.

Ummm..... tl;dr

Hell most people are too absorbed with wow to check a fucking forum (Like our illidan guild members)
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I'll check it before I log on to WoW, before bed, and on extremely long flights.

Not to burst your bubble or anything, but it isn't the Admins that the blame should be placed on. When the upgrade of vB3 came, WW made it so that only he and Chruser could do anything with Zelaron. The only difference between myself and Sov (when I was Admin) was that I could IP ban and change User Groups. Nothing else. Of course, my opinion was asked on issues, but as you can see from WW response, Chruser is the final say. Period.

Penguin is just... well... there. IMO, Chruser should keep the Owner tag, WW the Webmaster tag, and Sup Mods should be given all the priviledges I had, which is only slightly more than what they have now, but keep the same tag. I only say this because as "Admins", they get more shit because of their tag, but in all seriousness, they ain't jack shit, just glorified Sup Mods.

As you've stated before, this is a predominantly teenage based community. WW is not a teenager. WW actually has a job. Meaning, I certainly wouldn't expect Zelaron to exactly be on the top of his priority list, so don't expect all these great suggestions to be implemented. I do agree that over time, they should be done, but there is only so much 1 person can do.

There is more problems at Zelaron than some of the obvious issues you've brought up. But that is a good start. Activity is something that is fixed with money for advertising, and unless you are willing to put it forth, don't expect others to deliver for you.

I don't have a problem w/ slaynish most of the time. Its just that day, it was blatently obvious he was spamming for the sole purpose of spamming. No one cares if he gets to 4000 posts, and when he's calling me a "Im a badass, but really a pussy" type person. I don't see how he got that from any of my posts. But w/e.

Well, the reason that i said you're that kind of person is becuase you just seem like a real dick. I dont hate you, i dont really dislike you, but i dont exactly like you. I just think you're some kind of online companion that i've gotta be with, like in a classroom. You're just a dick, face it. Not exactly a bad thing, but you just are.

Also, it seems a lot of people are really raffled up about the post count thing. I asked Sov if he thinks that its going to be re-set, and he seems really against that. I was suprised that my issue was actually posted about, though.

MJ, i totally agree. I really do think you would make for a perfect mod or sup mod even. Admin im not so sure, because im not 100% sure you know exactly what your doing. I dont know if you get the same privladges as I got when i was webmaster of a forum i created once. If so, then you can seriously fuck something up accidently. Its a big risk but i just dont know. I've always wanted to be a DII mod, im a skilled player, i'm rich, i can host giveaways, i know tons of runeword combinations, im sure i can learn about the other tid-bits of diablo that i dont know. I think its becuase the staff is age-nazi's .

Seriously though, half the things i say you should disregard, i think you should be able to tell when i'm just bullshitting myself, and when i'm serious.

Not to burst your bubble or anything, but it isn't the Admins that the blame should be placed on. When the upgrade of vB3 came, WW made it so that only he and Chruser could do anything with Zelaron. The only difference between myself and Sov (when I was Admin) was that I could IP ban and change User Groups. Nothing else. Of course, my opinion was asked on issues, but as you can see from WW response, Chruser is the final say. Period. Penguin is just... well... there. IMO, Chruser should keep the Owner tag, WW the Webmaster tag, and Sup Mods should be given all the priviledges I had, which is only slightly more than what they have now, but keep the same tag. I only say this because as "Admins", they get more shit because of their tag, but in all seriousness, they ain't jack shit, just glorified Sup Mods.

Okay. Well, then that's my fault. This thread is then aimed mainly at Chruser and WW.

As you've stated before, this is a predominantly teenage based community. WW is not a teenager. WW actually has a job. Meaning, I certainly wouldn't expect Zelaron to exactly be on the top of his priority list, so don't expect all these great suggestions to be implemented. I do agree that over time, they should be done, but there is only so much 1 person can do.

Well, if he doesn't have time for the community, then he should say so. I don't think that's the problem, though. I mean, okay, perhaps he may run a bit short on time, as he is an adult, and probably has a lot more bullshit to put up with than we do, but (I'm not sure about this) he sure has put in a lot of time on the eye candy at this forum. And it's great. Seriously, this is one of the best-looking forums I've seen, period. Some of those suggestions I've made shouldn't take long to implement at all. I don't think WW has serious time problems, although I could be wrong. If he does, then perhaps it's time he let someone else do everything on the technical side of things.

Again, WW, I really have nothing against you, personally. You're probably one of the smartest people here, and have certainly been one of the major players in bringing this forum as far as it has gotten. You've been here since day 1, I believe. I'm just stating what I'm observing. If you honestly don't have time, then perhaps you should allow someone else who would have the time to also join the group of elite admins.

There is more problems at Zelaron than some of the obvious issues you've brought up. But that is a good start. Activity is something that is fixed with money for advertising, and unless you are willing to put it forth, don't expect others to deliver for you.

Well, the thing is, this is Chruser's forum, not mine. If it were mine, I would have put forth some money on advertising, or try to find another scheme to bring members in. But it's not. Thus, Chruser needs to at least take the initiative in the advertising side of things. If it's money that's the issue, then I'm sure there are folks here who would be more than happy to deliver. All I want is their word, man. I just want them to acknowledge that activity is dwadling, and something needs to be done. I just want them to say, "Okay, Mj, we'll consider some of your ideas." That's it. I just want my ideas taken into consideration. I don't think I'm above everyone else, there are obviously going to be some suggestions that will seem bazaar to some members, but I just ask that they are considered. If I can get that much, I swear to god I will do everything I can to get this board back to it's topmost level. I will post news like crazy, I will spam other forums/newsgroups/IRC channels, and any other reasonable thing that's asked. I'm willing to send money, if that's the problem. I'm sure other members feel the same.

Also, it seems a lot of people are really raffled up about the post count thing. I asked Sov if he thinks that its going to be re-set, and he seems really against that. I was suprised that my issue was actually posted about, though.

Well, while Sovereign may be against it, as am I, it's not really his call. I don't think he has any say-so in whether or not your post count is reset. WW/Chruser probably make that call. Now, I certainly hope that they wouldn't reset your post count for something as silly as this, but it's completely in their hands.

It's not like Zelaron makes any money for Chruser either though. You gotta think about that.

It's not like Zelaron makes any money for Chruser either though. You gotta think about that.

On the contrary, yes it does.

Im pretty sure chruser does some side advertising for Taco or something, and Taco pays chruser. My intake in it all is that it covers most of the cost of zelaron.

It sure could bring him money, if he put up advertisements everywhere.

Shit how much do you think a giant company would pay for a 6000 member forum to advertise?

IMO, this could be just a giant get-rich scheme, for chruser to get 10000 members and then put ad's everywhere

I'm sure its not though

Considering we don't have any advertisements. I'd say that's correct. What does taco need advertised?

It's not like Zelaron makes any money for Chruser either though. You gotta think about that.

That's besides the point. By putting up a forum publically on the internet, the webmaster should have an unofficail obligation to kep the members happy. And Chruser has upheld that for most of the time, it's just that it's hard to see this forum slip from greatness after so long. Like I said above, money's not a problem. If that's why Chruser can't advertise, then I'm sure there are more than enough members willing to cover that cost.

Can we get a list of all the members willing to cover the cost please? I've got to see this. If none of us will even donate a dollar to K_A for a video card, I doubt anyone would be willing to help out for advertising.
I don't think he does have any sort of obligation to us, if you don't like the way its going, join a different forum.

I think its becuase the staff is age-nazi's .

If the staff were "age-Nazis" then this thread would be closed because Mjordan is 13. The fact is that age is not important and Mjordan is very intelligent regardless of how old he is. You, however, are pretty stupid even without your age as a concern.

Can we get a list of all the members willing to cover the cost please? I've got to see this. If none of us will even donate a dollar to K_A for a video card, I doubt anyone would be willing to help out for advertising.

Of course I can't say for sure, but if Chruser were to ask for money, I'm sure that people would be willing go give some, and in fact, I believe it has happend before. The difference between KA's video card and Zelaron's best intrest is that we really don't care about what video card KA has. I would hope that we care about Zelaron's well-being.

I don't think he does have any sort of obligation to us,

Again, my bad. Bad choice of words. I should've said he has an obligation to keep the forum running without bumps, which I quite honestly believe he does, being the founder and leader of this forum. I mean, if not, at least be straight up with the members and let them know that he has no intention of keeping the forum running smoothly. But I don't think that's the case. In every thread, he says he still cares about Zelaron, so we know that he does care about Zelaron. If he wasn't willing to even keep the forum running smoothly, why would he even be paying for Zelaron?

if you don't like the way its going, join a different forum.

Of course not. That's a punk move. You don't just give up on something becasuse you don't like the direction it's taking, especially after being so dedicated to it for such a long time. It's like saying, "Oh, you don't like American politics? Go join a different country." It just doesn't work like that. You do everything in your power to make American politics better, if you really care; you don't just walk out on your country. Similarly, I have no intentions of walking out on this forum.

1. You can't change America in the least. It's run by big brother now and forever. The most you can do is get around the restrictions for yourself. Bad example but I know where your coming from.
2. He wouldn't be paying for zelaron, but he would be paying for the advertising, or someone would. Unless we had a situation where we know people who know people who would let us put of free advertising.
3. I'm sure most of us do care about the well being of zelaron, but not to the extent that we could be willing to dish out money, atleast for me its that way. This whole thread, just like the previous, "improve zelaron" threads are mostly just talk, I know you don't feel this way mj obviously, but thats the sad fact of the matter.

1. You can't change America in the least. It's run by big brother now and forever. The most you can do is get around the restrictions for yourself. Bad example but I know where your coming from.

Well, I guess this is a bit off the subjest, but I refuse to believe that. Everyone that I have ever read about in my American History textbook has refused to believe that. In fact, if 9/11 taught us anything, it's that America is just as susceptible as the rest of the world to changing when it feels threatend. Osame Bin Laden single-handedly changed many things about America. That's sad, but it is true. But there are hundreds of people every day making differences in America, whether it be on a major political level, or just a city cop doing his job. I would like to believe that the individual does matter -- that the individual can make a difference if he's willing to spend the time. The day I give up on that belief is the day I give up America, because in my eyes, that idea is the very basis of what America is formed upon.

2. He wouldn't be paying for zelaron, but he would be paying for the advertising, or someone would. Unless we had a situation where we know people who know people who would let us put of free advertising.

I'm not exactly sure what you meant by this. Would you mind clearing it up a bit?

3. I'm sure most of us do care about the well being of zelaron, but not to the extent that we could be willing to dish out money, atleast for me its that way. This whole thread, just like the previous, "improve zelaron" threads are mostly just talk, I know you don't feel this way mj obviously, but thats the sad fact of the matter.

No, unfortunately, I realize that this is the truth. Still, I cling to the childish hope that when Chruser reads this, that perhaps maybe one of these threads will make a difference. I'm going to spring one of these up every once in a while when I feel that it is needed. I know others have been in the past willing to donate money, and if it came to it, I'd be willing to right now. Like I said before, though, I doubt it's a financial problem.