Quarter-Finals! Dante vs. Samus

The important thing about screw attack is it's having big weakness. It's basicly useless to use for attack against anything stronger then a paper bag and it's greatly lacking of control.

Super Dante is not legal, because if it is, Dante can freeze everything indefinately, then Charged Nightmare Beta, kthxbye.

And I am aware that Dante can't legally use Sparda in Devil Mode. Again, if he can use that like he has in the legendary battle, he simply cannot be defeated.

What he has in DMC2 is, he has a different selection of swords, with 3, 4, 5, 6 hits combo, and each will do different things in Devil Mode. Also, he will go into Desperate (Ultimate) Devil Mode when his life turns red. He's look like a demon, just like in the Legnedary Battle in DMC1. His speed, attack, defense will further increase. (He won't last too long in the form though, because his life can still recover.)

Super Dante is not legal, because if it is, Dante can freeze everything indefinately, then Charged Nightmare Beta, kthxbye.

thats what i was thinking heh

oh does the equip nightmare-b with sparda work? supposedly it wont drain dt gauge so you can shoot it infinitely

You can always shoot Nightmare Beta without DT gauge, you just can't charge it and it won't be as powerful. It still reflects and bounces off the wall, but not as many times as charged, and not as many rays will be shot.

supposedly you can charge it without using up gauge if you equip both sparda and nightmare-b together
but i do remember it mentioning it doesnt bounce like it does without using that method

The important thing about screw attack is it's having big weakness. It's basicly useless to use for attack against anything stronger then a paper bag and it's greatly lacking of control.

It's effective against all sorts of armored enemies, and as for control, just because you couldn't control it doesn't make it uncontrollable. Screw attack and space jump were both discovered in the ruins of an ancient civilization, and so IMO qualify for having mystical properties (highly advanced technology seeming to be magic and all...nothing is really magic, etc.)

as for control, just because you couldn't control it doesn't make it uncontrollable.

I can control it. I also never stated it was uncontrollable. I said it lacked control.

The important thing about screw attack is it's having big weakness. It's basicly useless to use for attack against anything stronger then a paper bag and it's greatly lacking of control. It's effective against all sorts of armored enemies, and as for control, just because you couldn't control it doesn't make it uncontrollable. Screw attack and space jump were both discovered in the ruins of an ancient civilization, and so IMO qualify for having mystical properties (highly advanced technology seeming to be magic and all...nothing is really magic, etc.)

Is the screw attack supernatural in nature?
And are you really that sure that a screw attack would be invulnerable to demonic power? The things from DMC are not of this world, they are powers of whose roots are basically from hell and some of whose power challenges Mundus (pretty much the incarnation of the devil himself).

Note that the screw attack is not foolproof and there is a way around it, to my knowledge. An example is the boss, Ridley, of whose tail can hurt Samus even while Samus is in a screw attack. (Super Metroid)

Arg, I can't stop myself...

It could be argued that Samus' armor is semi-magical in nature because of the creatures that built it. The Chozo were the most highly advanced species in the universe, and that includes both magical and technological aspects. They were famous for having learned how to impeccably meld together super-advanced technologies and super-intricate magic. The Power Armor that Samus wears was considered to be their greatest single achievement by many.

The theory is supported by the fact that she has an unlimited supply of power for the suit, never needing to recharge and never needing to re-supply her arm cannon's beam weapons. She also has the ability to recharge her shields, missile ammo and Power Bomb count by absorbing the life-energy left behind by fallen enemies, which could only really be magical in function.

Either way, if you asked me, I'd say her armor is half-magic, half-tech.

Well.. the point still stands that screw attack is not invulnerable to everything; if touching Mother Brain or Ridley's tail is enough to break screw attack and hurt Samus, I would suspect that assaults from Dante's blade would probably be able to break through screw attack and do comparable damage if not vastly more. This especially notable when taking into account that that the enemies, even the bosses that I mentioned are not, to my understanding, of a magical nature comparable to the demonic hell spawned powers that Dante is made up of. That is unless someone can enlighten me to the magical nature of Ridley's tail other than that it is a spearhead like weapon attached to Ridley's backside.

As far as Chozo involving a lot of ancient magic, the "Chozo lore" that I have read from Metroid Prime does not seem to give a strong impression of the use of magic in their technology.
For those of you who would like to read the "Chozo lore" all layed out here are some links:
http://www.norfairdepths.com/chozolore.htm
http://faqs.ign.com/articles/384/384481p1.html
Reading the lore, it seems as if there is a clear distinction between spiritual (magical) and those of technology. There is even a later display of some resentment towards that which is science and technology, and it would seem the Chozo chose to "abandon" technology and look towards being more spiritual and "natural" and concentrating more on "simplicity" (which seems to be equivalent to avoiding the use of advanced technology). I would even say that their spiritual abilities did not seem to develop until after they abandoned technology that they developed any real spiritual advancement (mostly evident in "harmonization" in the second link)
This is of course only my own opinionated interpretation, but it seems that when the "Great Poison" comes, technology has failed them, and they begin to look to spiritual means and the hope that it provides in order for some kind of salvation.

I'd like to point out that the queen metroid, with her whole huge mouthful of very sharp teeth was unable to harm Samus in any way while she was screw attacking. It also renders more interesting attacks such as the baby metroids' suck-the-life-force-out-of-anything-that-moves-that-isn't-a-metroid attack useless; never mind that Samus is completely encapsulated by the baby metroid.

try screw attacking into the queens face.. you will hurt the queen but suffer a backlash

animated gif image attached for ye non-believing mortals
(reduced colors for reduced size)
note the 30 energy backlash flashing white after screwing the queen with the head

That's Mother Brain, not Queen Metroid, just for clarification.

Well, it does prove that screw isnt unstopable.

Well, it does prove that screw isnt unstopable.

Yes, but it's very unclear just what is able to stop it. If anything, the queen metroid looks much more capable of destroying Samus than the mother brain, yet can't hurt Samus in a screw attack, where as the apparently terribly vulnerable mother brain can hurt her...

Still, if it was somehow interupted by Dante, he'd be injured out the ass.

It would injured him lot if screw would break by hitting Dante face. Im sure some of Dante attacks can be strong enought to break Samus screw attack and deal damage.

What if Dante uses his Rolling Blaze, which is an invincible move meant for interrupting the enemies move? (Rolling Blaze is a jump move, and Dante is totally invincible when he jumps up. But when he's doing a backflip jump, it can very well interrupt/deflect any attack.

(That would include Nightmare's spike, and his spinning wing.)

Rolling Blaze in DMC can stop any melee attack, and Dante is totally invincible when doing so. It would at the same time stun the enemy which gives Dante a chance to counter the attack. (I usually use Inferno.)

Still, if it was somehow interupted by Dante, he'd be injured out the ass.

Thats assuming that Dante interrupts in a way that would make him vulnerable. Ridley's tail is (i think?) also able to cause damage to Samus while in a screw attack.. I'll try to make proof of that when I get around to it.

Anyways I think I've done enough arguing for Dante.
I'm sure most of you have noticed that Dante involves a lot of combo type attacks and linking together a series of hits. Most of you were probably there for the Cloud vs X battle and remember the invincibility bit that Senesia brought up.. heh.
Samus, at least in Super Metroid, exhibits a similar behavior after being hit and is allowed a limited period of invincibility (maybe about 3 seconds). This could allow Samus to avoid some attacks, especially a lot of those gun/sword combos, and could be abused by Samus as an opening for inflicting severe damage.

Now for some questions for clarification on the arena.. how heavy exactly are the crates.. could someone perhaps run up them like a wall for example? What is in these crates or what kind of warehouse is this? Maybe something inside can be used/abused? Or maybe someone could throw them around to block projectiles/attacks or do a little distraction or even hurt someone? Or maybe the crates will start shifting or even thrown around? This also applies to the steel catwalks.
And what if they blew out the walls (which is very likely considering the type of weaponry involved).. this would alllow going outside.
Outside lighting, even if its at night.. with walls or even the ceiling blown out will provide limited lighting.. but more than enough lighting.
And if the very foundation of the warehouse ruptures what would make you think that the warehouse could even hold up? This especially so given how long this battle probably will be.. no matter how you figure it.