Battle! Sonic vs. Zero

slaynish what your saying would actualy mean that Sonic would have to circle in close range at low speed. Sonic would gain speed far from Zero so there is NO CHANCE that Zero can actualy hit Sonic whit anything. He could probably just run arround flipping every switch and end up owning Zero ass whitout even trying.

Sonic = 1
Zero = 0wned

Sonic having destroyed the poor Zero he walk toward the exit of the battle feild.

Sonic says : I wonder if he had the time to compute his loss.

Hey Sonic still has to dodge those gazillions of traps just to get close to Zero, and that's hard. I mean, he could get fried on his way. And Zero would just give him a kick. Whammo, out cold, crispy fried hedgehog!

And...BTW, are they fighting in 2D or 3D? Cause they're both 2D characters....^_____^;; If that would be the case, then, Sonic loses...

Originally posted by Cerridwen Cause they're both 2D characters..

All battle are in 3d and sonic stop being 2d on gamecube.

How could Sonic be fried by a trap ? They are all lever activated and Zero wouldnt have time to activate many and let s not forget that Sonic is very fast and agile making most trap hardly effective toward him.

In MMX5, Zero has Twin Dream and W-Shredder. Twin Dream creates a clone of Zero, and therefore Zero can attack his opponent having the real self getting too close. W-Shredder is a powerful attack which releases his shadow when he dashes. Again, it is his shadow. Zero doesn't even need to get that close to Sonic.

Many of you have mentioned how Zero can't hit Sonic at all, but I don't see it that way. Zero can take on the defensive side, and wait for Sonic attacks him and counter. It is hard to dodge melee attack, and I think Zero's defense ability is higher than Sonic, due to his armor.

About Sonic's speed, that wouldn't be a problem for Zero. Jet Stingray (or whatever his name is) is a speedy maverick, and Zero destroyed him with ease. Cyber Peacock even have the ability to teleport, yet Zero can catch up to such speed without much trouble.

Sen brings up a good point. everytime zero kills a mavrick it gains that mavricks special attribute. Ach i cant remember them, so i will research these atrribute that zero can use to pwn sonic and post them by the end of today (monday) Hopefully the battle will not be closed by then. Thanks sen, almost forgot about those

Sonic can just get to use his temp freeze attack that would render Zero UNABLE to do anything for a short period ! And what about when he is in Gold Sonic ? He would be faster stronger and invulnerable for a short period.

I just need to know how the hell Zero could beat that.

Anyway if Sonic do circle arround Zero at his top speed Zero wouldnt be able to keep up whit Sonic, mainly because his poor metalic carcass cannot keep up whit Sonic speed no matter how much he compute his reaction time cannot even come close to the one of Sonic.

I think Zero's defense ability is higher than Sonic, due to his armor.

His armor wouldn't matter, because like I stated before, almost everything sonic fights is robotic.

Cyber Peacock even have the ability to teleport, yet Zero can catch up to such speed without much trouble.

By the time Zero is done teleporting Sonic would already be far.

Does Sonic's attack "pierce" through armor? No. The fact that Sonic did fight with robotic enemies would mean his attack can damage mechanical unit, but that doesn't negate Zero's armor defense.

Zero's Z-Saber can be enchanted with Ice, Lightning, or Fire, (depend on the game, the name of that attack is different.) With Ice, he can hit and freeze Sonic just as well. Zero can be invulnerable if he uses his "Gaia attack", which defers in each game, but I'm taking Rakuhouha as an example, the attack he got from C. Peacock.

As for Sonic's high speed...Zero has fought enemies with Teleportation ability, which I've stated. He can react to extremely high speed, and it doesn't matter how fast Sonic travels, Sonic is still one Sonic. His attack will come from himself only. Meaning that, if Zero concentrates on his defense, he will be able to avoid and block Sonic's attack, while Zero can produce an exact clone and do the dirty work for him.

For Zero armor ?
Let s look at a old sonic game since there bigger chance more ppl here will have played it.

Im sure many remember metal sonic or even last battle against robonic in Sonic 2 on sega. They have just as strong if not stronger armor then Zero. While it might not pierce through Zero armor it would at least damage it ! Bending peice making his mobility even less.

You trying to say that cause he can compute possible attack against him he has the reaction time. Thats totaly untrue he is limited by the speed of his poor carcass.

When you look at Sonic while on top speed it is hard to even be able to keep up whit him. While Zero Top speed isnt actualy even fast it could be compared to Sonic fast walking.

How can Zero freeze sonic if he cant hit him ?

Zero Teleport ?
Zero only chance would be to teleport to hit where Sonic would be when he done teleporting but then again Sonic can just go in a random direction as he see Zero teleporting.

Zero use his shadow ?
There again sonic would see it and be able to keep an eye on his real target.

I've never said Sonic's attack will not be effective at all, I was comparing their defensive abilities. Zero has higher defense than Sonic, that's what I was trying to say.

Can Zero chase after Sonic successfully? No. I admit that Sonic is fast, but Zero and Sonic are not racing here. So what if Sonic is fast, Zero can just wait for Sonic to attack and then counter him. In a situation where their attacks both hit, Sonic will get more damage. Why? Aside from Zero having higher defense...try to imagine running into a saber with full speed.

Zero doesn't have to chase after Sonic and attacks, he can just put his saber to the direction where Sonic is from, and react quickly so that Sonic runs into the saber. Zero might walk/run slow comparing to Sonic, but he can jump pretty far. With a simple dash-jump, Zero can travel almost a full screen. (And that's no charging required.) Therefore, if Sonic ever stops while he's close to Zero, Zero CAN catch up and attack from then on.

Zero can also dodge attack in mid-air by a second Jump or Air-Dash, also, he can hold up to any wall. Then he can either kick jump to the top, or slide - neither of those move will stop him from attacking/defending though, Since he can pull out his saber while he's at the wall.

Why can't Zero react to the speed? Because of his carcass? But Zero CAN react against teleporting enemies...I think that reacting to teleportation would actually require more...reflexes...

Zero's shadow is different from Zero's clone. His shadow is an attack which is performed when Zero finished his dash, he sent in a shadow in a split second and slice through anything that's infront. While it might not hit Sonic, it will certainly slow him down, make him change direction and thus making his next move more predictable for Zero.

Zero's Clone, on the other hand, is a clone which can attack just like Zero. It will make the battle to be a 2 vs 1 for awhile, in fact. Also, the clone is identical to Zero, so it is not possible to tell one of them from another.

Zero also has two E-Tanks (Some version he has 3...but meh)...which some might think those are items, but no. E-tanks (E-Can, literally) were once items in Megaman series. (In the manga, you can see Megaman takes out a can and drink...) E-Tanks in MMX series, however, are built-in device in the Maverick Hunter's armor. Where is my proof for that? X's amount of E-Tanks depends on which armor he chooses to wear, therefore the E-tanks are built-in.

Therefore, 2 E-Tanks and 1 W-Tanks. W-Tank would enable him to do several more Gaia Attacks, (Invincible when it is executed) and E-Tanks fill his energy to full once again. But he might not even need to use them... It depends on how much hits Sonic can stand against.

Oof. Jesus, I didn't realize Zero was so hardcore.

Your saying that Zero can travel almost a full screen but if you played Sonic you must know how many actualy screen Sonic can jump while at his max speed it far exceed the disctance Zero can jump charged so he wouldnt be able to get away.

Sonic can also Air Dash or/and slow himself up to achieve even GREATER distance while in the air.

So in no way Zero could escape by ground nor air.

Your also making Sonic sound like he got one way to attack and he would use frontal attack.

Here many way he can deal whit Zero.

Sonic could go in front and run on the side then do a combo : Hyper Slide Attack, Front Flip, Reverse Jump(somersault), Air Dash.

He could use is Time Stop once near to prevent Zero from moving and charging his spin dash to the max and achieve critical damage.

Hell he could transform in gold sonic and be invulnerable, many time faster and just touching an enemy would actualy cause damage, so what would happen if he would actualy attack while in gold sonic ?

Jump in the air once near Zero to go behind then a Homing Attack and a Slide Attack.

He could do his Wind Attack while getting to Zero to get near then use his Speed Up ability to increase his speed to do a Slide behind or on the side followed by a jump if Zero jump out of the way.

Note: Anyone who feel like it can add more attack but for myself i think i said enought to make my point.

Zero can also dodge attack in mid-air by a second Jump or Air-Dash ?

But he has to land and while in air it just give more time to Sonic to gather that much more speed for a that much more devastating blow.

Maybe he can hold up to wall but what is he gonna do there wait ? Sonic can climb too but he would just start to gather more speed while flickering all lever that could annoy/damage Zero until he would jump/fall down of the wall and get owned by an attack before he reach ground.

While Zero waste his Energy using his clone, Sonic can just keep/raise up his speed at distance while flipping lever untill the clone is gone.

He is used to destroy any type of metal.
Zero armor wont be that resistant to Sonic attack.

That's my hold point actually. Sonic can jump really far if he's at MAX speed, but with no charging, he can't get as far as Zero. Therefore I said if Sonic EVER stopped and attack, or slow down by the clones, he is in trouble because Zero CAN catch up then.

What if Zero uses his Gaia attack and becomes invulnerable and attack the whole screen? That's pretty much the same as Gold Sonic, therefore I got them cancelled out. (but Zero can use his Gaia attack quite a lot of times when he's fully upgraded...)

Zero's saber first slash goes horizontal, hitting everything from the left to right. Even if he can't react and turn to Sonic exactly face to face, he can at least face that direction and give a slash.

When Sonic is near in the air, Zero can do a upper-slash, and with different follow-ups: 360 degree slash (cyclone type thing), a downward stab (either Ice or Fire), dash slash, etc.

Also, Sonic isn't going to hit and run succesfully every single time, it is more like "crossing sword." The way I see it, everytime Sonic gives an attack, he will have a chance of getting hit. Z-Buster shot might be easy to dodge, but a close-ranged melee battle with Z-Saber isn't as easy as you think. (While Sonic smashes himself into other as an attack.)

The higher the speed, the higher the damage. It is true, but it will also increase the damage that Sonic will recieve if he gets slashed, stabbed, etc. Having a higher speed isn't a sure-win, since it puts himself into a greater risk.

The reason why I mentioned Zero's armor is because, in several of the MMX series, Zero actually gets an armor upgrade and it significantly increases his defense power.

He cant get as far as Zero when jumping ?
Thats just weird that i even have to explain about this.

At max speed i see sonic jump more then 4 screens and you can double that if he slow himself down a little + he can use his Air Dash.

Gold Sonic and Gaia canceling each other out ?
I dont think so it s not cause one use an attack that the other will just use his.

Sonic can go hide beind one of the platform while Zero use his Gaia.

For Gold Sonic it could be quickly activated while in close range to Zero when he is about to receive a Dash attack or something else or just for the sake of doing damage. It would deal no damage to Sonic and Zero would be attacked at serveral occasion whitout chance to react.

While it is true Z-Saber would deal more damage if Sonic is at top speed but his chance to hit Sonic are almost none.

If Zero use his dashing attack when Sonic come near, Zero is just Wide Open for and attack on the side or behind. Sonic can jump and do a few of the attack i mentioned/

For his few first attack if he use Gold Sonic + many attack then Time Stop and some more attack, Zero will just be over... Even if Zero had the strength to go on his armor would be so bent that it would affect his reaction time, Dashing speed (if he isnt damaged beyong being able to dash), movement speed (he might not even be able to move) and jumping capacity(if he still can do it). It would basicly render Zero useless and hardly able to dodge anything.


Note: Sonic need in no way to become slower to hit his target.
The only time he will have to become slower is when he is in ball mode and want to go back on foot or he can always jump and slow himself just a little to be out of his ball form and go back on the running.
That doesnt mean he goona do it next to Zero.
Let s not forget that the Hyper Slide doesnt affect Sonic speed in any way.

Oh also you say *it is more like "crossing sword." The way I see it*.
Is it the way it is or the way you think it is ?

Zero...Would destroy that little damned Hedgehog...And yes because he isn't human he would be faster and have faster reflexes...

lol did you actualy read what you just wrote ?
Cause Sonic sure aint human either.
Sonic slower and lower reflex ?
This is just funny.

Sonic got way better reflex/speed then Zero.

Uh, I said if Sonic ever stopped, he will be caught up. I know what he can do at max speed, but he can't do as much without charging up, while Zero's abilities are constant.

I might as well bring up some of the MMX6 stuff then... Zero can equip up to 5 parts (4 parts and 1 limited part) on him. Each part serve as a power-up, and the limited part is a one-use item. For instance, temporarily enhance the defense greatly, or enhance the damage, no weapon energy required, etc.

I'll pick 4 parts he can equip (which are upgrades): Saber extend (created a "saber-aura", extended the slash range), D-converter (Convert damage to Weapon energy, more Gaia Attacks and Clones for Zero.), Shock Buffer, (Reduce damage taken by half and stun period) and Energy saver (Special attacks consume half the enegry which they normal would. Again, more Gaia Attacks and Clones! Not to mention the energy consumption is already 1/3 when Zero uses his "black" armor...)

Zero also has a spinning attack, Ensuizan. If he is unsure about where Sonic is aiming at, he can execute this attack to make sure Sonic would at least take damage, or retreat from his assault. His shadow dash-slash attack can be used to distract Sonic, forcing him to change direction and making his next move more predictable, as I've mentioned.

The dash-slash wouldn't leave him wide open, because it is not Zero who is slashing, but the shadow. The "dash" is just a little boost from his jet, which may last for as little as 0.01 second (In the game, you can use it without actually seeing Zero dash forward).

Another Gaia Attack Zero has (In MMX6) is Rekkoha, raining laser from the sky, and stopping the time as well. (Freezing the background, and drastically slow down the opponent) Zero can fill up his Gaia gauge by either taking damage, or by his W-Tank. The W-Tank would fill up any other weapon gauge at the same time (Clones, for instance)

It is not like Zero will cast his clone and wait for Sonic to come, he can wait til Sonic comes and cast the clone so that it blocks Sonic and gives both Zero and his clone a greater chance to hit Sonic. If Sonic retreats after seeing Zero's clone, Zero can simply discard the clone so that it doesn't drain weapon energy.

Sonic can't land multiple hits on Zero in close range, and every time he gets close he is risking to take damage from Z-Saber. Whenever Zero gets hit, he will turn invulnerable for a short period of time. (And no, that's just a game feature...) It has a name for it, too. Damage Barrier, Zero's (or X's) armor will generate a Damage Barrier whenever they get hit, rendering them invulnerable. So if Sonic does hit Zero, not only it fills his Gaia Gauge, it will also cause Zero to attack without worrying about anything. With Saber-Extend, Sonic can't even see the attack clearly, because he might dodge the saber itself but get hit by its aura.

Id take sonic in round 1 battle to kick zero's ass

Good for you, now support it. WHy do you think a hedgehog made out of flesh and bones can beat the hell out of a ROBOT, a mechanical being, made out of armor etc. It just wouldnt make sence for sonic to "pwn" zero. Its the other way around. A massive arm cannon, all the skills that sen put up....too much for sonic. YOu can see his smoking carcass in the morge if you like him so much,.