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View Poll Results: What is your stance on Warez?
Warez are great! Freedom of speech for everyone! How far is this going to go? No game HACKS and CHEATS because of the policy? This is pathetic! 18 38.30%
I like Warez for a constructive purpose. In other words, I want to be able to at least talk about them, and maybe even share a little... 17 36.17%
No, I don't like Warez, but there has to be another solution to this. Members shouldn't have to leave! 6 12.77%
Warez are pathetic! You leech someone else's work and distribute it to others freely! Do you remember those slaves in Rome? Their owners gave them food for their work. What do we give to the developers for their "free work"? Absolutely nothing! We are treating the developers WORSE than slaves! 3 6.38%
Actually, I have a great idea. Just scroll down to my post! 3 6.38%
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Posted 2002-11-16, 06:23 PM in reply to Chruser's post "Warez"
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My suggestion would be that these few sacrifices should be made:

* Free speech (If you downloaded a program and need support for it, you can say that it's an illegal version if it will speed up the helping process).

* No links to warez sites (That will bring a lot of bad 100%-warez hogs here, plus that it's a big danger for the site).

* Light violations are allowed (Posting a serial for an antivirus program, or one for windows who has lost his (trust me, it does happen) should be allowed).

* No major hints (For instance, telling an user that downloading the file from a site of a certain kind is wrong, while a certain file sharing program will work fine is a violation).

* Functionality discussions allowed....

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Looks good to me. If someone wants to help with someone with something. I think "Zelaron does not support warez But......." would be a safe way to handle it.

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Posted 2002-11-16, 06:23 PM in reply to Chruser's post "Warez"
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Looks good to me. If someone wants to help with someone with something. I think "Zelaron does not support warez But......." would be a safe way to handle it.
Yeah, that's the perfect way of doing it
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Posted 2002-11-16, 06:32 PM in reply to Chruser's post "Warez"
That works. I don't really have anything against my own brainstorming now that read it again, but more ideas are always appreciated.
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Posted 2002-11-16, 08:40 PM in reply to Chruser's post "Warez"
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"Don't live by someone else's rule. Do what you want, the way that you want to. "
i find that rather humerous
My old physics teacher says, "It's easier to get forgiveness than permission."

Anyway, I don't think that there is any reason for there to be a ban on discussion of warez. Probably everyone I know uses software illegally in one way or another. What influence do you think I would have over someone if I asked him to stop? None. It is the same here. It may be a good idea not to promote it, based upon restrictive laws, but it should not be ignored.

Also, I think that software piracy is a much smaller problem that it is made out to be today. I plan to be a game programmer, but I do not fear the deamon that is warez. Let's take Warcraft 3 for instance. I know of a few people who looked for CD keys. If you really think about it, almost all the people who want the game bad enough to pay for it have already bought it. Those who do not, will not pay for it, whether or not they get the game. How much money do you think Blizzard has made from just that one game? Plenty. The developers have gotten their money. I say let it be.

Also, while I am at it, I would like to address the rules that contain the anti-warez clause.

"By clicking the Agree button, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws."

Obscene: Offensive to accepted standards of decency or modesty.
How many times have I read an obscene post? More than none.
Vulgar: Deficient in taste, delicacy, or refinement.
Similar to obscene. I will find examples if anyone wishes.
Hateful: Feeling or showing hatred; malevolent.
What is the flame forum?
Threatening: To indicate danger or harm.
Gladly, this doesn't seem to be much of a problem.
Sexually-Orientated: *This has to be a judgement call as the concrete definition of the word would simply be something that has to do with the male or female sex. The connotative meaning is gender degrading material*
There were some posts with comments to or about certain member(s) of the forums to which I took offense. I may have overreacted, but I was not pleased when I read them nonetheless.

While I think that some of these rules may be restrictive, everyone has to accept that there must be rules to keep order. Maybe we should be lenient in inforcing these rules. Maybe we shouldn't. There must be an individual decision made for each case, as they are not the same. I would like to see some rules inforced more strictly, and some ignored alltogether at times, but if it were up to the person posting, the rules would always correspond to what he were posting.

*Deep breath*

There is no way to decide a best way to deal with any of the rules, and if there were, it wouldn't be best for long. Situations constantly change, so the rules must try to stay current with them. Example:
It is still legal in Texas to hang someone if they steal your horse.

Anyhow, to finish on topic, I would not ban the discussion of warez. I would not allow posting of cd-keys or links to places to get them.

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p.s. I love you Kristy.
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Posted 2002-11-16, 08:42 PM in reply to Chruser's post "Warez"
I read PMs consisting of most of those every day.

Someone even sent me the ******
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Posted 2002-11-16, 08:55 PM in reply to Chruser's post "Warez"
Thanxz chruser for making this post I am glad to see you actually care what we think and let the numbers talk for themselfs

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Posted 2002-11-16, 11:41 PM in reply to Chruser's post "Warez"
shutup, saying "i downlaoded this from e-donkey" is not warez since you are not actually providing a link to the file or hosting it on zelaron
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Posted 2002-11-17, 03:54 PM in reply to Chruser's post "Warez"
Very true, K-R.

Just don't provide a link to e-donkey or tell exact directions on how to find a specific file publicly for now. Just taking the safe route.

If someone asks you, send them a PM.
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Posted 2002-11-17, 04:20 PM in reply to Chruser's post "Warez"
I don't have any original ideas, seems like you've pretty much covered it all, so I'll just reinforce:

Links or instructions on how to get Warez - Use a PM.

General Discussion/Help - Although technically this breeches the whole "no supporting warez" policy, I think freedom of speech is neccasary.
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Posted 2002-11-17, 06:54 PM in reply to Chruser's post "Warez"
i go for second option
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Posted 2002-11-17, 08:10 PM in reply to Chruser's post "Warez"
Thats what I voted for.
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Posted 2002-11-18, 04:05 PM in reply to Chruser's post "Warez"
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WHY WHY WHY are we trying to ENFORCE something like this, ALL IT WILL DO IS, Cause the USER TO GOTO A DIFFRENT BOARD. it will NOT at ALL AT *A)(SF&* ALL make him think its wrong, he will not stop doing waht hes doing, no matter what we do, we are just a forum , So we are enforcing this and the ONLY THING ITS DOING, THE ONLY THING is causing members to QUIT, and for what? A server? A more expensive, not needed server? is bs
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Posted 2002-11-22, 11:36 PM in reply to Chruser's post "Warez"
Hey, just a quick question. You say you display that before you hit agree. What if you registered BEFORE Januarary? That means they have never agreed to thoes rules...
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Posted 2002-11-23, 02:38 AM in reply to Chruser's post "Warez"
Hellmonkeys: The rules have never been changed since the board first went up, and you couldn't register for the vB board before January 2002.
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Posted 2002-11-23, 10:49 AM in reply to Chruser's post "Warez"
Oh, alright, was just a thought. Not that I don't agree with that but maybe some other people would argue that .
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Posted 2002-12-20, 11:03 PM in reply to Chruser's post "Warez"
Game hacks such as Diablo duping and such is merely a glitch in the game, and are perfectly legal to discuss in any way, shape, or form.

Hack programs are seperate, and using software to alter a game in any way would be, technically, illegal. But....few people really care about such petty things outside the parties involved in making the game, and certain people who play it.

Cracks for games is up to admins, but stuff like that I'd say let people find on their own, and take it to e-mail, AIM, or something similar.
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Posted 2002-12-22, 10:19 AM in reply to Chruser's post "Warez"
*unstikied*
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