Quarter-Finals! Sigma vs. Kuja

Being a Virus, Sigma can never be destroy. Virus Sigma doesn't even has a life bar, and the reason why X can beat him is because Virus Sigma tried to capture him but failed. Also, he will not go into his virus when he does have a body. That's why I said the Virus form shouldn't be allowed.

Sigma has a lot of forms:
(X1) Lightsaber Sigma (Lightsaber, and...some sort of ray.)
(X1) Velgauder Sigma (Giant Beam, and Spike)
(X2) Claw Sigma (Claw, and electric spheres/pillars)
(X3) Shield Sigma (Throwing Shield, Mass Fireballs)
(X3) Kaiser Sigma* (Laser Beam, Missiles, Body Crush)
(X4) Reaper Sigma (Reaper, and he can fly)
(X4) Scythe Sigma (Spinning Scythe, Laser)
(X4) Alien/Cyborg/Heads Sigma
(X4) Alien Sigma (Giant Laser)
(X4) Cyborg Sigma (Blowing away, sucking in)
(X4) 3 Heads Sigma (Invulnerable, Fire, Ice, Lightning)
(X5) Sigma Head (Giant Laser, Mass Orbs, Vulnerable only when his mouth is open.
(X5) Sigma* (Air Dash, Bouncing Orbs, Rotating Shields, Energy Waves)
(X5) Gamma Sigma* (Spiked Fist, Crashing, Purple Blast, Orbs, Electric Current, Purple Energy Field)
(X6) Sigma (Electric Spheres, Huge Energy Wall, Energy Shots)
(X6) Stationary Sigma (Mass Blobs, Mass Orbs, Giant Laser, Giant Orbs)
(X7) Gunner Sigma (Rotational Shooting, Giant Laser, can Fly)
(X7) Colossus Sigma* (Fly, Teleport, Huge Fireball, Huge Energy Shot, Huge Rotating Laser Beam, Punch)

Too much typing...I'll be back.

Still, being a maverik leader he is impure in his system.

Well sigma cannot use his ability of when he is a huge machine in his small form. Also, his temp invulnerability are always in huge form and like i said in this level in his huge form he would be quite useless. So if he use his big form he basicly lost the match without giving me any effort . So quite a few of those attack are useless. The Purple Blast and Purple Energy Field that are again in a big form of sigma are virus type attack. So me and the nova dragon not being mechanical render the attack useless.

True, Sigma cannot use all of his abilities in any of the listed form, but he is capable of chaning forms. For instance in X4, he can choose one of the three forms: Alien, Cyborg Head, Three Heads, and he can change form when he wants to.

The "Using Huge Form will result in a sure lost" is debatable. Sigma's Huge Forms still vary in size, some are just 2-3 times the height of X, while Colossus Sigma is about 30 times his size. I see what you mean, having such a huge body in a small area will certain reduce the mobility, yet there is one thing: Sigma is invulnerable in most of his body part.

Even though this is a rather small stage (the main platform is 50 Feet in diameter?), there are enough room for normal sized Sigma to move around and dodge things.

Also, being a maverick, he has the damage barrier (in some forms, not only the huge forms) just like X and Zero. For instance, Gunner Sigma, Kaiser Sigma etc.

His pet Velgauder would probably help a little, but not too much. Jumping around shooting Fire and Ice, etc.

I am going to elaborate a bit on the different forms.

Alien/Cyborg/Heads Sigma:
Switching form when he finishes an attack or two.
The Laser from Alien Sigma are HUGE, and will hurt a lot.
The Cyborg Head can suck in or blow away the enemy to a dangerous spot, the lava pit for instance.
When Sigma is in the Three Head forms, he is totally invincible. The three heads will shot Fire, Ice, Lightning, and move around pushing the enemy to the spikes or...Lava, in this stage.

X5 Sigma:
Dexterous. He can jump and air dash, create orbs that bounce around. He can also cast 3 shields which rotate away him. They will damage whoever touch them. While they can be destroy (and take the damage for Sigma), but Sigma can simply recast them.

His most feared attack would be his Energy Waves. Casting waves of energy from different height, giving the opponent very small room to dodge.

Gamma Sigma:
His Spikes on his fists can be dangerous, and he can crash his fist toward the opponent and push them off the edge. Or make them off balance (for those who fly...), putting them in a dangerous position.
He can also shoot Orbs which will home at the opponents current position two times, which will make their next move more predictable. He can also send out Electric Current from his fingers.

What's interesting about this form his, he can change from Solid to Wireframe from time to time. While in WireFrame form, he can do the attacks but he is invunlenable.

I'll elaborate on Kaiser Sigma and Colossus Sigma when I have the time.

P.S. I do not like Sigma. I put up the arguments so that this battle will be more interesting. ^_^

I dont like sigma either but i think it is a good thing to bring activity to Zelaron Melee i did that too in a few battle that i wasnt really interested in

Sigma is invulnerable in most of his body part.

Yes, but the disadvantage that Megaman and Zero have is they need to reach a specific area to hit that vulnerable part of the body. While i can cast from basicly everywhere and it will hit.

Well for if he use his form where he as damage barrier it would be rather useless as Caster basicly work with huge damaging spell that might be fast but not like a melee that would pull-off combo and hit several time. There is also the Nova Dragon could by pass that damage barrier with Psychokinesis attack that grab the enemy and can toss it very hard (ie. In the lava )

About Alien/Cyborg/Heads Sigma. His pattern would be easy to understand and damage could be done during Alien and Cyborg form while i heal myself and my dragon if needed during the 1-2 attacks from Heads Sigma.

About X5 Sigma.

The 3 shield can be easily defeated by any of the area effect spell that would destroy them and hurt sigma basicly ignoring their effect. Spell that could do that are:

Nova Dragon Twister (all), Shockwave (all), Tidal Wave (all), Aerial Slash (all).
and Nova Dragon Psychokinesis would ignore the shield s basicly almost all his attacks would work.
Including his counter attack Tidal Wave

Kuja Flare Star (all) and Ultima (all)
Counter Attack Flare Star(all)
The other attacks would be useful still since they would only have a chance to hit one of these 3 shields.

Gamma Sigma.

Having 2 target to take care off would make it harder for him to control the cavern making it easy to almost always be attack no matter what happen. + his first arnt particulary that fast and stop a few second before shooting giving the time to easily dodge the attack for someone that can fly. There is also that it wouldnt take long for me and the Nova Dragon to destroy 1 of the fist. Rendering Sigma much less useful since when you destroy one he pull away the other one (probably to help repair). They will be back a little while after but still giving long enought to deal some more safer damage and healing. When they are back one of the fist can be destroyed again.

i want to mention that many of sigma's big forms are crammed into spaces that are barely big enough to hold his form and yet the "parts" of his body still move quickly..
i dont think that a small space would actually limit sigma but would actually be more troublesome for kuja if kuja is to dodge sigmas attacks.. it takes a lot of moving around to dodge most of sigmas attacks and the less space to move around the higher the chance that sigma could easily nail kuja with a nasty attack.. not to mention that to fly you need a lot of space to fly around and here we are talking about a cavern
kuja still has to "shoot" his spell attacks right? sigma uses a lot of obstacles and hindrance in all his attacks.. how well would kuja be able to adapt to that.. adapt and move quickly to a position where he can concentrate and aim a spell at sigma? without getting pushed or rammed into some spikes or lava?

i seriously doubt psychokinesis would work.. i have yet to see sigma get tossed around by anything and for the most part he seems near completely immovable in all his forms..
if sigma can jump through a fully charged plasma shot from X buster without it affecting his motion much id think its safe to say it would be very difficult to affect sigmas motion with anything.

Sigma big form wouldnt be able to move in something smaller then his level and would greatly lack of usefulness in a bigger area. How would flying require a huge ammount of space. There is no need to dodge something by 5 miles distance. Dodging just enought ot a little more then enought to avoid it is just fine.

The only time Sigma use obstacle to block projectile is in his big form. But then again it wouldnt be that useful. The only attack that i have that are projectile are Thundaga and Holy the other form directly on the target or for the case of Ultima it is a huge beam that would be able to cripple sigma very bad and destroy anything in it's path including a part of the cavern. For my Nova Dragon the only thing those obstacle would do is prevent his claw atack. All the other Twister (all), Shockwave (all), Tidal Wave (all) and Aerial Slash (all) are area effect and wouldnt be bothered by those obstacle. Psychokinesis isnt buster attack. Buster is physical and Psychokinesis is Magical it just form arround him and he smash him somewhere. Having a good or huge physical def. doesnt mean that the magical def. is even good. Actualy it is very uncommon to have both even being good. The exception to this would be magus that is extremly strong physical and ok against magic. Then he can become better against magic because of his Magic Barrier that raise his magic def.

Anyway back to this battle. Like i shown his big form are rather useless and it is easy to damage him. Unlike Sigma i have the capacity to heal myself and my dragon. So even if he could pull damage just as much as me he wouldnt win because i can heal more then i damage(on the exception of ultima). Im not a hybrid caster/fighter or something. So casting spell isnt something i need to give lot of concetration to. Casting a spell is also very quick. Being a pure caster i dont need to wait very long either to cast the next spell either.

Well i will wait on more post from you ppl before i go on.
I wouldnt like to put everything in 1 post heh.


P.S. For the sake of ppl getting to know Kuja a little more and giving activity to another thread.

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kuja still has to "shoot" his spell attacks right? sigma uses a lot of obstacles and hindrance in all his attacks.. how well would kuja be able to adapt to that.. adapt and move quickly to a position where he can concentrate and aim a spell at sigma?

I'm gonna interject here. No, Kuja doesn't "shoot" his magic at an enemy. It's not a projectile, it's a magic spell. Magic homes in on the mana energies present in and around all things. Hence the reason why a character can be blinded in a Final Fantasy game, yet their magic still hits without a problem. Kuja doesn't have to "aim" anything. The standard rule for magic is if the target is visible, even a little bit, he will be hit. If he's in another room, and is blocked off by an opaque wall, the caster is out of luck.

Oh, and I just caught this, mainly because I had forgotten entirely about the main platform in this arena. I assume that a lot of the action is taking place there. Well, transforming into a metal behemoth wouldn't necessarily be too hot an idea for Sigma considering that the whole place is erupting and that central platform is suspended by chains. Too much weight and the whole thing might go down.

Seymour destroyed Sigma. Don't know how he's fighting Kuja. This whole battle is stupid. Kuja doesn't need to fight something that is no longer living. So bye.

Sigma big form wouldnt be able to move in something smaller then his level and would greatly lack of usefulness in a bigger area. How would flying require a huge ammount of space. There is no need to dodge something by 5 miles distance. Dodging just enought ot a little more then enought to avoid it is just fine.

Flying around in tight spaces is not easy to do.. it takes an incredible amount of control and mobility to navigate tight spaces especially if there are other factors/obstacles to be adapted to. So, I guess Kuja's ability to use flight effectively depends highly on how maneuverable Kuja's flight ability is.. it should be pretty much impossible for the dragon unless the dragons flight is purely magical and is incredibly maneuverable.
I should reiterate that it takes a lot of movement to dodge most of Sigma's attacks.. eg: Sigma's lasers covers huge portions of the screen and he does aim and all the while there are moving parts.
It's not about dodging the attack by 5 miles.. but how much Kuja will have to move in order to block each attack.. assuming that he knows Sigma's attack patterns. In order to dodge attacks from Sigma, Kuja would have to move across the arena 5 miles to dodge the attack by 5 feet.. even if he knows Sigma's attack patterns by heart.

Psychokinesis is the ability to move things with your mind.. I dont care if Kuja is an ub3r super saiyan lvl 5 bajillionz0r. If a fully powered up buster shot that nails Sigma in the face doesn't really impede his movement.. and this is even when Sigma isn't using his huge form and while Sigma is jumping _in the air_.. I seriously doubt any mind voodoo is going to move him. Unless the psychokinesis is going to lift the cave out of the ground with Sigma in it.
btw i remember Sigma using a shield in one of the series and Sigma can block attacks when spinning his scythe in x4. Sigma also has other assorted methods of blocking attacks.

Sigma's huge forms wouldn't really depend on the main platform.. at least in x4 he comes in from the sides.
The humanoid forms should have flight and teleportation capabilities.

Does Kuja have fire elemental attacks?

Kuja would have to move across the arena 5 miles to dodge the attack by 5 feet..

What the hell are you thinking Sigma is using ???
He aint using no NUCLEAR BOMB!

Flying around in tight spaces is not easy to do.. it takes an incredible amount of control and mobility to navigate tight spaces especially if there are other factors/obstacles to be adapted to.

Your talking about tight like if the fight was in a pepsi can...

it should be pretty much impossible for the dragon unless the dragons flight is purely magical and is incredibly maneuverable.

Why is that ? He doesnt need to stand still and it's the only time that dodging might be harder. If he stand still, because from stoped to movement is a little longer.

I should reiterate that it takes a lot of movement to dodge most of Sigma's attacks.. eg: Sigma's lasers covers huge portions of the screen and he does aim and all the while there are moving parts.

Yes, it does indeed but it is quite possible to dodge unlike my attack and like Raziel said. He might be to heavy to hold in position.

It's not about dodging the attack by 5 miles.. but how much Kuja will have to move in order to block each attack.. assuming that he knows Sigma's attack patterns. In order to dodge attacks from Sigma, Kuja would have to move across the arena 5 miles to dodge the attack by 5 feet.. even if he knows Sigma's attack patterns by heart.

Again with 5 miles coming out of nowhere ?! Of course i wont be able to avoid ALL attacks and it is normal... But the 5 miles thing show your clearly confuse. Shit you even realise how big this is ? It is SEVERAL time bigger then the WHOLE arena...

Psychokinesis is the ability to move things with your mind.. I dont care if Kuja is an ub3r super saiyan lvl 5 bajillionz0r. If a fully powered up buster shot that nails Sigma in the face doesn't really impede his movement.. and this is even when Sigma isn't using his huge form and while Sigma is jumping _in the air_.. I seriously doubt any mind voodoo is going to move him. Unless the psychokinesis is going to lift the cave out of the ground with Sigma in it.

Again you come by comparing physical to magical. He cant do anything against Psychokinesis and it isnt Kuja that got the attack it's the Nova Dragon.

Sigma's huge forms wouldn't really depend on the main platform.. at least in x4 he comes in from the sides.

There you go i destroy the wall. He fall into lava gg.
Melted.

Does Kuja have fire elemental attacks?

Yes, Flare and Flare Star. They are the strongest Fire magic that there is.

There is no need to dodge something by 5 miles distance.

you meant that literally? i was using 5 miles vs 5 feet as a comparison using figure of speech

the speeds at which flying is done at..
stopping and moving on the spot.. to the right places
in a small space its not easy to fly around at high speeds without smacking into the wall.. and thats the kind of reaction speed needed when dodging attacks

it would be impossible for a dragon.. which uses its large wings to fly.. to fly that accurately and easily within a small space

added also that sigmas parts and the assorted objects he will throw at kuja.. where will he dodge to if the space is enclosed and small? what happens when he is cornered between a wall of spikes and a hard place?

as far as blowing out the walls.. assuming that sigma could tear down the entire cave as well.. and escape in virus form.. so what?

Lol, your making it look like he is using 15 body in there.
If you look at this arena it isnt large but it go high and deep. It make sigma big form useless cause he would be stuck between to wall having great control of a very limited area. Escaping in virus form. It is part of the rules for like Raziel is cannot be killed. In zelaron melee if Sigma doesnt have his body he lose. Wall of spike ? Your aware that wall of spike arnt part of this arena ? So they are not existant.

sigma isnt really "attached to the walls"
he comes in from the sides.. and goes back out
it looks almost like hes floating in space really.. he has a lot of organic wiry frame thingies holding him up inside

ill make you a picture so you can see what i mean by the obstacles and spikes and whatnot.. as well as the way he looks when he comes inside.. when i get time ill replay x4 and give you some pics of final sigma to refresh your memory
but he has a lot of "parts" at all times coming at you blocking your way or hurting you

What your trying to do is remake the arena to make it perfect size fit for his huge form which is the only time where he would be great. Too small he wouldnt be able to move. Too big he wouldnt control any area other then where he is.

knowing the nature of sigma.. im sure he would customize his larger body ahead of time to fit.. sigma never comes with the "clothes on his back" so to speak
look at most of the levels he is in.. sigma is always the final boss bastard with a trap like environment set up waiting for X.. everything sigma does is a giant elaborate trap set waiting

even if the arena was too small to fit the large body of sigma.. he would then fill up whatever space is available with his body.. probably made up mostly of sigma's invincible areas
now where would kuja go with sigma filling up all the space? with his enormous gun pointed in for example?
"like shooting fish in a barrel"

knowing the nature of sigma.. im sure he would customize his larger body ahead of time to fit..

This aint transformer battle. Its Zelaron Melee.

sigma is always the final boss bastard with a trap like environment set up waiting for X..

Exactly, he wait for X in a place HE built to help HIS Body he doesnt built the body to fit the room. In this case the room isnt made for anyone in specific. Which make it quite impossible to use his big form.

"like shooting fish in a barrel"

Your not getting the point. It would be like shooting a fish in the wrong barrel. If he is higher then the plateform he has no control over anything that is going on under. If he is holding himself at the plateform(middle) well the plateform would limit him, making him have no control on the higher part and lower part of the arena. Sure, he would be good in the middle. But i wont be going there. If he try holding on by the middle plateform he would end up falling in the lava because i would kill the chain that hold it together. If he is under he wont have control over what is going on higher then him.

No matter where he is it would create easy area to safely cast and destroy him without having to really worry about anything. Making his big form totaly useless. He will have control of his area. But his area will basicly be filled with nothing more then air and himself. He can poke the air all he want. He wont achieve much of anything.

I wouldn't get too off-tracked arguing about body / arena scale...

Not all of Sigma's Big forms are huge, some of them a huge comparing to X. Kaiser Sigma for instance, is only 3-4 times X's size, which is not huge at all. I would say Nova Dragon is even bigger.

Anyway, I'll elaborate on Kaiser and Colossus.

Kaiser Sigma:
In the game, only X-buster can deal damage to it, other maverick weapons were totally blocked by his body armor.

He can fly for a shoot time, shoot laser, homing missile, and release missile pods to aid him. In this form, he will control the battlefield pretty well, due to all the projectiles flying around.

Colossus Sigma:
This form is HUGE. It also has the ability to float, and teleport. (If you have played DMC, then think Mundus. He's about that size.)

He has several attacks. Spinning Fireballs, Shooting Fireballs, Green Energy Blasts, HUGE laser beam, and his fist. All of the attacks will do immense damage, especially his giant fist.


There are several things I'd like to point out:
Kuja is a caster, and casting magic requires time and concentration.
Being a caster I think his resistance to physical attack will be rather low.
His Nova Dragon is not as small as Kuja, and it can be easily targeted by most of Sigma's attacks. The dragon won't last too long if it is to take too much damage (from tanking Kuja, in order for Kuja to cast).

While in huge forms Sigma will lack speed and mobility, he can endure a lot more damage dealt to him, also, his defense will be much higher.

Well in this battle i would say the only chance Sigma would have in his Kaiser Sigma body. As it seem to have mobility. Limited but mobility none the less and lot of projectile to offer a better control of the arena compare to the other form.

Kuja is sure a caster, but he is a pure one.(No Melee/Caster hybrid stuff) So his casting sure does take concentration and time but it would be very small to instant(Depending of spell of course.) with a small recovery time depending. Kuja physical is good. I wouldnt go as far as say great or anything but it is good. His armor that he has equiped is based on mobility and got some resistance. The dragon could be an easier target to take down but he is just as resistant (hp) as Kuja. So it would be possible to throw a Curaga once a while to keep him alive. The Nova Dragon would mostly be attacking and counterattacking while being the main target. Kuja would like i said throw a heal once a while and well use other spell during the rest of the time. If Sigma is in his Kaiser body. Kuja could destroy all the chain holding the plateform making him fall at the bottom. (Is there some place on the bottom without lava?) If no well game over. If yes, Sigma would probably use a little of his time to reach that or one of those area. It would limit his accuracy at because of high range giving lot of time to Kuja and Nova Dragon to dodge attack. From the top. After a while Kuja would Trance! Then would come Ultima that would extremly damage the whole structure and leaving probably nothing but a few remain of Sigma.

If Sigma is in his Kaiser body. Kuja could destroy all the chain holding the plateform making him fall at the bottom. (Is there some place on the bottom without lava?) If no well game over. If yes, Sigma would probably use a little of his time to reach that or one of those area. It would limit his accuracy at because of high range giving lot of time to Kuja and Nova Dragon to dodge attack. From the top. After a while Kuja would Trance! Then would come Ultima that would extremly damage the whole structure and leaving probably nothing but a few remain of Sigma.

if that is legal.. then why doesnt sigma just turn to wireframe form and make the entire cave collapse and make the lava go haywire and then just leave? (he has done that before to X)

(in x4) during battle sigma is capable of reaching all parts of the arena.. why should this be any different? besides his laser would probably rip right through the platform anyhow
also.. sigma teleports in and out of the room

how often does kuja use curaga in the game?

are you sure you are not underestimating the difficulty of dodging sigmas attacks?
and lets not forget sigmas dog (who he has access to).. the dog is very fast

if that is legal..

If what is ? If you mean trance it is something that is done during combat. It's an ability. Kinda like the Morph ability Terra got in FF6.

The dog is fast and weak Easliy dispatched down in the lava considering he cannot fly. As for it's attack. They are very limited.

There reason he can reach all part of his stage in x4 is because of something i have stated already. The stage is built for his body. Which is not the case in this battle.

Sigma cant win this battle