NonGayMan said:
Bush said that wherever there were terrorist camps, America would be there. NorthEastern Iraq Al-Zarquawi had terrorist camps.
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There are terrorists and mass murderers right here at home, but nothing I don't see extra countermeasures to preventing anything like that. Plus, what gives George Bush that right? America can't be wherever terrorists are. You can't bomb the fuck out of a country because your pissed off at a select group of people.
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Most of the Arab community was angered. They were angered when Saddam attacked Iran, and when Saddam attacked Kuwait, and who saved Kuwait? The US. Then, 9/11 happened, angering us. Whether or not Iraq had anything to do with 9/11, they still had terrorist camps, and that was premise enough for our new Anti-Terror doctrine: give us the terrorists, or be destroyed, reform, or we will force you to reform. When Bush said we would hunt terrorists and kill them at every corner of the earth, no one argued or disagreed. He goes and does it, and people get angry at him because our sons and daughters are in a war. They joined the military, an affiliation that may some day have to fight. It is not their job to sit around and train all day.
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Give us what we want, or be destroyed, reform, or we will force you to reform? That attitude is the epitome of an imperialistic, power-hungry nation. I would like to believe the USA is slighltly more civilized than that. The reason nobody argued when Bush said we would hunt terrorists to every corner of the Earth was because everone was pissed off back then, and it's tough to make a logical decision when you are flooded with emotion, especially anger. Now, yes, go kill the people who attacked you, but you can't go to every single country that contains terrorists. In that case, why are we not
everywhere in the world, because honestly it's like that. It really is everywhere in the world. We're not in China. We're not in Ireland. No, Bush just had a quarrel with Iraq before he ever became president.
And this "I'm going to do this in the name of anti-terrorism" attitude of his is just getting old. Your personal rights are being taken away. Patriot Act. Ashcroft has just passed a law, in the name of these anti-terrorist laws, that will allow the government to monitor your internet usage. That's not right.
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Afghanistan is a success right now, considering Hamid Karzi is still alive, the economy is being revived, and the people being unified as we speak. Afghanistan is a victory.
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I concur. Regardless of the fact that there were more civilian casualties than the casualties at the world trade center, it was still a success.
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Much of the Arab world is thrilled Saddam is gone. Saudi's, Kuwait, Iran. The people who are pissed are the Syrians, the Palestinians, and the Lebanese because they are the extremist governments . . .
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I don't know how much of the Arab world is, but most of Iraq would rather have Saddam in power than George Bush, regardless of what the media here says. I was in India last year, if you don't know, and the story they brought there was
much different than what they show you here.
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. . . and if Saddam wasn't connected with terror then why is it publically known that Suicide bombers in Israel get $2500 for their families?
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Does Saddam give Israeli suicide bomber's families $2500?
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The real people who are pissed are the French, Germans, and Russians, and it's not because we attacked someone. It's because we attacked a country with whom they were selling goods to at high prices against UN Sactions. They were selling food, military supplies, and other goods to Iraq illegally. There have been news reporters on live TV that have been standing near iraqi ammo dumps who have seen the France stamp on the boxes. That is why the UN wasn't big. Russia, Germany, and France are big players, thus having big money invested in Iraq, and they knew that a US-UK dominated Iraq would cut back their cash flow.
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I've never before heard that about some of those countries, but that is all very interesting to know. You have to remember, the UN also did not want this war to occur. We went against UN sanctions by going to war with Iraq. How were they selling food, and other goods to Iraq "illegally"? If it was just because it was against UN sanctions then this war was illegal as well.