Do you Believe?

Read the Bible, thats all I have to say.

k.......mjordan2nd

Do you have a great-grandfather?

yes i do

I don't believe you, prove it.....well, even if you have picture, I still won't believe you, because how do I know if that is your real great grandfather?

I think the bastard doesn't have a great grandfather.

Medieval Bob...sorry, that was not my point! By the thing is...let him talk. lol

dont try to prove god exists or doesnt thats not possible
you can talk about reading the bible adn all that all day
i still wont believe
in fact.. i believed in god less after i read it....

Every persons search for God is a very personal and different experience.
When I was 20 I believed in selling Cocaine and banging cheap women and drinking expensive liquor and I strongly doubted the existence of God as he had little to offer me at that time. Now that Im a little older and have experienced more (and survived my previous beliefs lol) I do believe that we all have a higher purpose. If you asked everyone who voted no on this poll in ten years who knows what they would say? Ask them after the birth of their first child! After being married for 20 years! On the other hand ask everyone who voted yes and you could also get completely different results. I knew a girl who was a faithful catholic for years and years who lost a cousin to a senseless drunk driving accident and she now professes to believe in no God at all.

God reaches different people in different ways and I wont go into my personal awakening. I am not a born again christian or even a regular church goer but I feel in my heart that theres something bigger then me out there.

Theres a great little book called "Inferno" by...... uhhhhhhh sheesh Niven or Pournelle I always get em mixed up that is a sci-fi update of Dantes Inferno. It asks some good questions about why God would keep a private torture chamber called hell and lots of other modern updates on sins and morality. it raised more questions in my mind then the Bible ever did.

Doofus

Originally posted by mjordan2nd why would u believe in god though. What proof do u have. Why do u think "god" put us here. I would believe if there was some proof but i cannot blindly follow everything and base all my decisions around a belief.

I have read this amazing book...IT'S CALLED THE BIBLE...you know the one w/ the ppl who saw Jesus and spoke to God and yeah all that...

Most of you people would like the book of Revalations, and Exodus. (Revalations is at the back of the Bible, and Exodus is near the front)

i have read probly 90% of the bible i understand what it is about

my post earlier i told you it contradicts itself alot i have an example but not very specific:

The story of David and Goliath
David kills Goliath

later on in the book.....

someone else sposidly killed goliath im sorry i forgot the names of the verses
but there are many many contradictions in the bible

The bible was written by a bunch of humans, so obviously they're gonna screw the story up all over the place. If I want to hear the accurate history of the Christian religion, I'll wait until I'm in Heaven and hear about it from someone who has the facts straight.

VERY good point Raz

Ok, here's the way I look at things...

Religion is a crock of shit. It's too easy to give people something to believe in, write a book, and become rich and famous... As for God, I will say there is A God. There is a god as there is a heaven and a hell... within you. No one can say who God is, because he is who you make him. Just like no one can say what heaven and hell is, because they are what you make of them. This whole Catholicism and Christianity religion crap is bullshit(sorry if i offend someone) How can you sit there and let someone tell you what to believe? Ex: I walk up to you on the street, not knowing you. I tell you if you follow me wherever I go, I'll give you the continent of Africa. Would you believe me? But would you believe it if a High Priest told you? It's all just manipulation, something to keep people en masse from going against their wills.
Now, I'm not saying all religion is bullshit, but most mass religion seems funny to me, religion should be more personal faith, not faith in a cross or faith in a statue.

As for the whole creation vs. evolution thing... who knows? For someone biased towards science, of course evolution is easy to believe. But whose to say whose right? None of us were there, and we can't travel in time yet. If a scientist finds out creation is really what happened, do you think he'd make it public? If a priest found out that evolution is the way tables turned, do you think he'd let everyone know and possibly cause chaos? That's why I'll just believe what I see, for myself.

Wow, I really rambled.... lol

PostScript: I just want to clarify that I'm not saying anyone here is wrong, this is my personal opinion. I think that if what you believe in makes you at ease with yourself and thats what you truly believe, than that is how it is for YOU.

Originally posted by Adrenachrome i have read probly 90% of the bible i understand what it is about my post earlier i told you it contradicts itself alot i have an example but not very specific: The story of David and Goliath David kills Goliath later on in the book..... someone else sposidly killed goliath im sorry i forgot the names of the verses but there are many many contradictions in the bible

ok here's my point on this...I've heard things like this before and I've simply said that there are many a name in "Bible times" world and in that...there were many John's, James, and Peter's...as there are many Brads,Chris's,and Stevens today....could there have been more goliath's?

Good point, Silverjinx. As I recall, there are quite a few "Saul's" in the Bible as well.

Yes, all those names were used quite frequently, and all of our anmes derive from those names. Jesus goes to Jeshna, which goes to Joshua. So Goliath could be Greg or something like that today.

Personally I think that all of this religion was made up 1000's of years ago...as i said earlier....as a political movement. I mean look at ireland...it is so divided because of religion...and they are all christians. Now as some of you said earlier...I agree that not everything is under the control of humans and there is a lot of stuff we can't explain YET. How was the universe started. If you believe in the big bang how did all that density get there in the first place. If you want to collectively define all of that as god than yes I will agree with you but I do not believe in a supernatural being or a heaven or hell or an afterlife for that matter. Religion is good for peace of mind I believe, and 1000's of years ago fear of a supernatural power like a god would keep people in line.

Also to those of you that are debating creation vs. evolution: Personally I believe in evolution because the theory is based on fact and careful observation. I've done a little bit of research and Darwin was a huge believer in the bible. I haven't read the bible myself but from what ive read the orginal Theory of Evolution does not disregard the bible. It actually goes along with it. That is just what i have read though, I have not read the complete theory of evolution nor have I completely read the bible.

You should read some of it, quite interesting actually.

I have thought that once...that it was all made up...but then when you read the Bible and wonder about it's coming to this world and what not I think it was impossable for it not to be made up...I mean when you have a town of ppl looking at Jesus rise into heaven...come on...?
And when you talk about the big bang I was thinking about that last night. I have decided to read at least one chapter from the Bible a night now. Well last night I read chapter one of the first book...when God made earth I figure that maybe the big bang fits in with that...God made the earth=BIG BANG=earth...??understand?