Debate: The Death Penalty.

Also for every one person killed by the DP, 18 murders are detered.

Bullshit. America executes quite a few people, yet we have 11000+ firerm-related homicides per year? Where did you get that statistic from, might I ask. If I was angry enough to kill somebody I can swear to you the death penalty would not frighten me one bit.

http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpo...35/essay2.html

It's in the third paragraph.

That says eight, not eighteen.

Professor Layson found that 18 murders were deterred by each execution is the U.S.
Pretty sure thats 18.

Taken right from the text.

Another way in which the death penalty prevents murder is the elimination of vicious murderers from our society. If the vicious killer is dead, he or she will not be able to kill again. Most supporters of the death penalty feel that offenders should be punished for their crimes. Supporters of the death penalty are in favour of making examples out of vicious murderers, and know that the threat of death will indeed be enough to lower the crime rate. According to Isaac Ehrlich's study, published on April 16, 1976,eight murders are deterred for each execution that is carried out in the U.S.A. He goes on to say, "If one execution of a guilty capital murderer deters the murder of one innocent life, the execution is justified." To most supporters of the death penalty, like Ehrlich, if even just one life is saved, for countless executions of the guilty, the executions are justified. The theory that society engages in murder when executing the guilty is considered invalid by most supporters, including Ehrlich. He feels that execution of convicted offenders expresses the great value society places on innocent human life.


Ah, I see what I posted was from 76, what you posted was from 86, that's almost 20 years ago it really has no relevance today.

A few key rolls play into the Death Penalty.

The Convicted Guilty person(s) that commited the crime.

Scenario: There is a bar fight, some guy attacks another man in a parkinglot outside of the bar. He runs to his car, in defense, and shoots the man, killing him on the spot. In most people's eyes it was self defense, but some drunks could have seen it differently, and he himself was drunk at the time of the shooting. Now, he doesn't get the chance for Life in jail, but is going to recieve the Death Penalty. How does our 'government' that says We ourselves cannot kill, go ahead with the 'murder' of a person, to help rid society of this...

Does this mean our own government is above the law? sounds iffy.

And, what, if anything, gives One man the right to kill another man..? Nothing. The bible states, 'Thou shout not kill another man'. Somebody has to do it, so people are hired just for these 'executions'.

Another side of the story is, what gives Doctors the right to decide if a paitent is not going to make it? I mean, they have the most knowledge to weather the paitent is just wasting time/space. Doctors have people's lives in their hands every day, and even though they have the most knowledgeable opinion of it, it may not always be right.

I believe that the Death Penalty is not right. But it IS needed for our society. Not everything in our lives we are going to agree with, but sometimes you just have to live with it.

Nobody runs to their car, gets a gun out, and shoots another man in self defense. At the point that they get to their car, when they get the gun out instead of getting in and leaving, the entire essence of self defense is gone.

Secondly, religion has nothing to do with government. Nothing that the Bible says has/should have any effect whatsoever on the death penalty.

Finally, doctors killing patients? As in... pulling the plug? They aren't even allowed make that call. The families of the patients do that.

Yeah, what do you think that whole Dr. Kavorkian thing was all about?

A few key rolls play into the Death Penalty. The Convicted Guilty person(s) that commited the crime. Scenario: There is a bar fight, some guy attacks another man in a parkinglot outside of the bar. He runs to his car, in defense, and shoots the man, killing him on the spot. In most people's eyes it was self defense, but some drunks could have seen it differently, and he himself was drunk at the time of the shooting. Now, he doesn't get the chance for Life in jail, but is going to recieve the Death Penalty. How does our 'government' that says We ourselves cannot kill, go ahead with the 'murder' of a person, to help rid society of this... Does this mean our own government is above the law? sounds iffy.

That is what I was saying earlier, but everyone was like, the executioner is being given the right to kill them.

And, what, if anything, gives One man the right to kill another man..? Nothing. The bible states, 'Thou shout not kill another man'. Somebody has to do it, so people are hired just for these 'executions'.

True, a lot of people here dont read the bible, so they prolly wouldn't care about that. Not religiuous.

That along with abortion.

If asked to pull that plug, it is considered assisted suicide. If the patient had enuff strength, they would kil themself. hat is why that is allowed. If you were that sick or injured to point of uselessness, you would kill urself if you could.

Abortion...that is murder, you're taking the life of a innocent child without the childs consent. But yet it's aloud. The only time I would really understand soemone getting an abortion is if they were rapped, if not they shouldn't be allowed. Its something they chose, have sex without a condomn. They need to be stuck wityh there poor decision.

I'm against death penalty, because the offenders will die no matter what, letting them stay in prison which is no fun at all seems IMO more fitting than giving them a quick painless death.

Also it's been said that u dont want ur tax money to go to those ppl, well u can see it like this, it's not going to the prisoners, but rather to the ppl who take care of them thus making that money is someone elses paycheck. The prison industry is actually quite profitable and an interesting sector to invest ur money in as this sector is only growing these days.

Would you rather have the child be brouth up in a squallid hellhole and constantly be sick? One reason alot of people get abortions is because they couldn't afford or take care of the child, they COULD put them up for adoption though. But abortion isn't the issue at hand, so quit brining it up Tyrannicide.

Why not just kill anyone who commits a felony? Won't have many fucking felonies then will we?

Well, it might be more fitting and more tortureful for the murderer, but the Death Penalty gives the victims family and friends closure. That alone is worth it, IMO.

Why not just kill anyone who commits a felony? Won't have many fucking felonies then will we?

ROFL!! Tru, that would solve all the worlds problems.

Slim: I bring it up because its not considered murder, even though ur taking a life. Something other people get the DP for. All death caused by someone else should result in a life sentence or the DP. Its not fair, someone dies for taking someones life who has seen the world and someones life who hasn't. Which one sounds worse. You cant say this is ok, and this isn't. It all results in death.

The death penalty is the fast way out, you should investigate further into the criminals before doing anything such as putting them on DR/ DP. You can't have one or the other.

The DP is a poor way out. No matter what a person does, NO one deserves to die, NO one, NO matter what they did.

Fuck the lethal injection, there are cheaper ways to kill someone, and that helps the economy! Speaking of the economy, less people=more job availability, and as an added benefit, the people we are gonna be killing might just be criminals!

I was lying in bed thinking about this last night, and this chainreaction of thoughts emerged...

to sum it up:
It's ignorant to kill someone when u dont know what will happen with them once they are dead (which nobody does), would death really be the worst sentence someone could have? , but maybe they go to ''hell'' and get the punishment they deserve according to most ppl. But maybe they go to ''heaven'' what kind of punishment is that!? But when ur letting them rot in jail u KNOW what is happening to them and know that they get punished for their crime(s).

note that I use heaven and hell just to indicate good things or bad things, dont response with bible crap about this.

And as for the families who want closure, they should understand that he's gonna die no matter what and it will be in jail. (if death sentence will get scrapped it will be replaced with life sentence in jail, right?) Once they realise that, they will be able to close that matter. But I guess not everyone thinks the way I do, so death sentence is gonna last a while I think.

You can't argue religous theory, no matter what kind it is.

Also, my point still stands. If we kill everyone that commits a felony, then we won't have many criminals will we? And of course, it helps the economy.

After eliminating all of the said criminals, we shall turn our sights to the rest of the world. After all, we don't want people around the world with the chance to hurt other people do we? Solution, kill them all!

While that's not entirely a bad idea, there are some felonies that simply don't deserve the death penalty. I'll see if I can get a list together later.

letting them stay in prison which is no fun at all .

Ok take from me. Prision can be more fun for these guys than living on the street. They are allowed to have baseball and basketball games, play on a rec yard and work out on a weight pile. They can convers with each other and share storys. They get free medical for what ever sickness they come down with at anytime durring the day, Nurses are on hand at all times. Even the guys locked up in the cell block are allowed to play basket ball on there own private court. Hell theres a few people in the past that liked prison so much as soon as they got out they robbed a store to get back in or a more haness crime.
Theres even a few guys in there that are gonna get out before they turn 40 and i know for a fact they are not going to lead a good life. I fell full hardlly they will commit murder when they get out. I rather see them put to death then get a chance to do what they did in the first place. Theres one guy that has spent the last 5 years of his term in the cell block and he is about to get discharged. I really think he'll be back in jail within a week of release. Death penalty should be manatory for anyone convicted of permeditated murder.