death penalty

I'm really undecided about this whole topic. Yeah, murdering is wrong and there is no excuse for it. But, as Jamesadin pointed out, "Thou shalt not murder."

Anyways, I voted unsure.

Anyone seen Minority Report? The "halo" that they use would be a perfect, yes painless and feared puneshment.

yes thats a good movie

Anyone seen Minority Report? The "halo" that they use would be a perfect, yes painless and feared puneshment.

That was the most confusing movie I've ever seen, but ya somone should invent something like that.

I'm really undecided about this whole topic. Yeah, murdering is wrong and there is no excuse for it. But, as Jamesadin pointed out, "Thou shalt not murder." Anyways, I voted unsure.

Yeah but it also says an eye for an eye... It talks about in the book of Genesis when Cain killed Abel God said who ever finds him should kill him...

did god ever personally tell the executioner to kill the person they were killing???

WTF? This is not about what bible says or not!!!!! Noone can give proofs of god existance but, the person executed do exists. This is a common sense problem, noone has the right of freely disposing of other lives, and executing someone is not really a punishment for him, since he's not gonna feel it. Execution is just a way of "vengeance" based in human anger, It's plain and simple RETROGRADE, It's people like those who says "IT'S RIGHT" Those who at other times encouraged the Inquisition, of course then, human rights weren't considered as now... Death penalty it's insane, just look wich countries are holding it... USA, Islamic countries and countries like that... Time you guy open your eyes and lear to respect human life.

sirpullido is right

WTF? This is not about what bible says or not!!!!! Noone can give proofs of god existance but, the person executed do exists. This is a common sense problem, noone has the right of freely disposing of other lives, and executing someone is not really a punishment for him, since he's not gonna feel it.

It's still justice. The offender is removed from society, and his life is gone. No more murder / rape combos from that loser.

Execution is just a way of "vengeance" based in human anger, It's plain and simple RETROGRADE, It's people like those who says "IT'S RIGHT"

Right. It IS based on vengenance. Why else would we have jails? The offender HAS TO BE PUNISHED SOMEHOW.

Those who at other times encouraged the Inquisition, of course then, human rights weren't considered as now... Death penalty it's insane, just look wich countries are holding it... USA, Islamic countries and countries like that... Time you guy open your eyes and lear to respect human life.

I'll ignore the fact that you put one of the most free and prosporous countries in with shiathole countries like Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

The Inquisition was a stupid point in history, where misinterpretation lead to deaths. Much like current-day Extreme-Islam. It had nothing to do with justice at all. The Bible does not call for the death of infidels, instead it encourages forgivness in the wake of Jesus Christ. HOWEVER, if the criminal "kills one of his fellow man, he shall surely be killed by his fellow man". Murder is evil, Justice is not.

The government has every right to enforce its laws in the most fair way it has. Keeping murderers alive in the current jail system isn't the best punishment right now.. it's the death penalty.

Again, like I stated before, if the jail system were "improved", it would become a better punishment, and therefore the death penalty would become outdated. Simple as that.

It's still justice. The offender is removed from society, and his life is gone. No more murder / rape combos from that loser.

wouldn't putting him in jail remove the offender from society therefore removing him from having the ability to rape and murder.

Right. It IS based on vengenance. Why else would we have jails? The offender HAS TO BE PUNISHED SOMEHOW.

It could simply be so that the offender doesn't have the ability to harm other innocent people...it is also considered a punishment but there is no better way to keep people safe from criminals.

I'll ignore the fact that you put one of the most free and prosporous countries in with shiathole countries like Iraq and Saudi Arabia. The Inquisition was a stupid point in history, where misinterpretation lead to deaths. Much like current-day Extreme-Islam. It had nothing to do with justice at all. The Bible does not call for the death of infidels, instead it encourages forgivness in the wake of Jesus Christ. HOWEVER, if the criminal "kills one of his fellow man, he shall surely be killed by his fellow man". Murder is evil, Justice is not. The government has every right to enforce its laws in the most fair way it has. Keeping murderers alive in the current jail system isn't the best punishment right now.. it's the death penalty. Again, like I stated before, if the jail system were "improved", it would become a better punishment, and therefore the death penalty would become outdated. Simple as that.

Not all islamic countries are "shiatholes". And plus we're all talking about laws here so wether it's iraq, saudi arabia, or the USA it's all the same...a law is a law. Your statement "murder is evil, justice is not," is my point exactly. Murder and justice cannot coincide.

I agree with bluecube, think about it if someone killed your brother (mother,sister, father, aunt, etc.) how would you feel knowing they were in jail where they don't have too work (except common chores) they get free food, Cable tv, matinee movies, concerts, and Videogames....

I agree wholeheartedly tae...if some1 were to kill my family id be pissed off and would want 2 kill them. I would want 2 kill them myself...first of all...not let the government kill them. But I also have 2 say if some1 were to kill some1 in my family I wouldn't be in the right state of mind to base a decision like that. The only reason I would be killing//murdering that person would be out of pure vengance//hate//spite. I'm not a religious person but in my own personal set of morals and values I disagree with vengance and hate...and try not to commit acts b/c of them. No one is perfect I understand and everyone at times loses there temper and a serious time such as a family member being murdered is not a time I guess you can be logical. I understand where you are coming from cube and tae but since I'm not mad at someone like that and am in a calm frame of mind I cannot stand here and say that murder is the answer for murder. If someone were to kill my family my views would most likely change...but not by me thinking the whole thing through but purely because of vengance and hate. Also consider your mother//father//sister or some1 else close to you falsely accused of murder and put 2 death. Wouldn't you at least want 2 give them a chance in jail...

If somone murders a family, they should be raped in the asshole witha 12 inch dildo.
THATS punishing enough

Also consider your mother//father//sister or some1 else close to you falsely accused of murder and put 2 death. Wouldn't you at least want 2 give them a chance in jail...

I agree and also what if they really did do it...what then?? and another thing if you put them in jail (this was brought up in class the other day) they may have the chance of exscaping.

If the death penalty was enforced uniformly and vigilantly it would maybe an effective detterent to violent crime. As it stands right now in most states it is a joke. 70% of criminals sentenced to death in the United States die in prison anyway..and as for spending the rest of your life in prison being "punished" with cable tv, 3 hot meals and a bed most of these guys are probably improving their street situation.. The USA needs some serious reforms to its justice system (less lawyers) but it is still among the best in the world.

WTF? This is not about what bible says or not!!!!!

No one is interested in hearing your personal problems with the Bible. If someone chooses to use it as a reference for arguing the validity of the death penalty, they may use it. In like, one may draw another source from the Bible to argue with the previous statement, or one may choose to ignore it together and focus on another fact. Since you cannot prove that the Bible is not a valid source, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

I am tired of people saying, "that's stupid! it's all fake and its crap!" With absolutely no evidence or presented reasoning as to say it. So, either make another point, or get off the Bible.

My brother once rolled a joint out of bible paper I kicked his ass for it but I think it is funny in a sacrilegious sort of way.
Back on topic though I agree with you, everyone that is, because everyone makes very valid statements and it is hard too make the right decision even if "god" endowed it. Shit I think if god came out tommorow and told everyone too walk into the ocean and drown very few would listen thats why I think finding the result for this that would best fit humanity is key. The only thing about that is everyone has a vastly different opinion thats why maybe what we have now isn't soo bad it is compromised too please mostly everyone.

They used to do that back during WWII I think...they would buy "special" books from book stores and smoked the pages...

They should bring back hangings for all states...and host them on Pay Per View...

They used to do that back during WWII I think...they would buy "special" books from book stores and smoked the pages...

hahah thats pretty funny and the pages for the bible are nearly the same as the real papers that are intented too be smoked hmmm maybe god was a rasta