God's Set plan for Me

So, without any explanation and any actual proof you automatically write it off because the laws say it is impossible?

Do you think those laws were based off the maniacal ejaculations of some buffoon? There is nearly 200 years of research backing those findings. If I laid out all of the evidence that has ever been gathered in support of those findings you would probably not be able to read it in the course of your natural life.

I will present you this question: How would you go about operating outside of those laws?

You can't.

Do you think those laws were based off the maniacal ejaculations of some buffoon? There is nearly 200 years of research backing those findings. If I laid out all of the evidence that has ever been gathered in support of those findings you would probably not be able to read it in the course of your natural life.

Obviously not. You would not be able to lay out all of the evidence that has been ever been gathered in your lifetime, so clearly that hypothetical situation would never even happen.

You can't.

That is not true, use some imagination and try again. Where would the laws of thermodynamics not be applied?

Obviously not. You would not be able to lay out all of the evidence that has been ever been gathered in your lifetime, so clearly that hypothetical situation would never even happen.

You missed the point of my post entirely, and responded with a nit-pick.

But in response to your nitpick, I could lay out enough evidence that you would not be able to read it through the course of your life. In fact, I would only have to go up three flights of steps for this to be done.

That is not true

Based on what?

use some imagination and try again. Where would the laws of thermodynamics not be applied?

Nowhere in the universe. Perhaps in the land of fairies and gods you can have your perpetual motion machine.

Based on what?

Based on not being able to prove a negative. Just because it hasn't been done, doesn't mean it won't, or can't.

You are relying too much on the definition of what thermodynamics says cannot be done. You do not have to achieve 100% efficiency to have a machine that could possibly outlive our entire human race. This hypothetical machine would also not have to be friction-free given that more energy is created than being put in. It would only need to create enough efficiency to create more energy than is put in, not to become 100% effective and efficient.

Based on not being able to prove a negative.

You can't bend, fabricate, or in any other way bastardize the laws of the universe based on rather simplistic word games.

You are relying too much on the definition of what thermodynamics says cannot be done.

Right. I have a tendency to side with sound science.

You do not have to achieve 100% efficiency to have a machine that could possibly outlive our entire human race.

You're conflating two unrelated ideas. Are we talking about a perpetual motion machine or a machine that can outlive the human race? They are not the same.

This hypothetical machine would also not have to be friction-free given that more energy is created than being put in.

This is impossible.

It would only need to create enough efficiency to create more energy than is put in, not to become 100% effective and efficient.

You're asking it to be more than 100% efficient. You can't create energy. Again, this is impossible.

You can't bend, fabricate, or in any other way bastardize the laws of the universe based on rather simplistic word games. Right. I have a tendency to side with sound science. You're conflating two unrelated ideas. Are we talking about a perpetual motion machine or a machine that can outlive the human race? They are not the same. This is impossible. You're asking it to be more than 100% efficient. You can't create energy. Again, this is impossible.

Sounds like the usual responses to D3V's ideas.

Some Mormons gave me a card last night. Awkward...

You can't bend, fabricate, or in any other way bastardize the laws of the universe based on rather simplistic word games.

I disagree.
I've been doing it since I was born. Infact, I'll do it right now.

You are worthless, MJ. Without imagination your life is going to remain boring. Newton's law wasn't even correct the first time around, it had to be corrected by Einstein.

What good would it do to create an energy source that outlives the universe? Nothing, we need small-term, short term solutions as of right now, and creating a machine that would create more energy than is used. What you are trying to say that if this hypothetic machine doesn't outlive the universe then it isn't perpetual. You know as well as anybody that the Universe itself isn't going to last forever, it could all be gone instantly. So why do you bother dampering thought processes of this nature and creative ideas for the sole fact of being able to say you are right?

Instead of saying: "Energy cannot be created" why aren't you saying, "We haven't figured out how to create energy yet"?

You are worthless, MJ. Without imagination your life is going to remain boring. Newton's law wasn't even correct the first time around, it had to be corrected by Einstein. What good would it do to create an energy source that outlives the universe? Nothing, we need small-term, short term solutions as of right now, and creating a machine that would create more energy than is used. What you are trying to say that if this hypothetic machine doesn't outlive the universe then it isn't perpetual. You know as well as anybody that the Universe itself isn't going to last forever, it could all be gone instantly. So why do you bother dampering thought processes of this nature and creative ideas for the sole fact of being able to say you are right? Instead of saying: "Energy cannot be created" why aren't you saying, "We haven't figured out how to create energy yet"?

You're going to resort to ad hominem because I keep proving e-bitch-slapping your horrific logic? Nice.

If you're going to talk about perpetual motion and "free energy" pick up a fucking book and learn some terminology. Otherwise shut the fuck up about a subject you clearly know nothing about.