endgame

After reading this I can safely say that yes, this guy is a fanatical. Some of the things you said I'll agree with but most of the others, Premise 14, for example you just sound like a religious nut.

I read this on the Internet somewhere:

"There's probably no God, so stop worrying and enjoy your life."

After reading this I can safely say that yes, this guy is a fanatical. Some of the things you said I'll agree with but most of the others, Premise 14, for example you just sound like a religious nut. I read this on the Internet somewhere: "There's probably no God, so stop worrying and enjoy your life."

GOD!? All religions purpose is to naturalize the oppressiveness of the culture- get people to believe that their enslavement is not simply cultural but a necessary part of existence to which they've been condemned.

Fanatic is simply a label which our culture uses to alienate and define anyone who fights the death urge. Just because I think we should all live in touch with the natural world that we are born on, rather than destroy it with every aspect of our lives means I'M THE CRAZY ONE?
activist, crazy, demon, devotee, enthusiast, extremist, fiend*, fool, freak, maniac, monomaniac, nut*, radical, ultraist, visionary, zealot

Stop lying to yourselves. KA you think indigenous peoples had ADD? Alzheimer's disease, atherosclerosis, asthma, cancer, chronic liver disease or cirrhosis, Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease, Diabetes, heart disease, nephritis or chronic renal failure, osteoporosis, acne, stroke, depression and obesity. All symptoms of industrial civilization.

All females living under this culture hate themselves. You know it. I know it. They are taught from childhood to be a certain way and if they are not (and of course they are not because everyone is different) then they despise themselves and torture themselves and strain to match the cultural profile. The smoking, the drinking, the drugs are all quite obvious examples of the poisons we give to ourselves, but what about the air that they are destroying, the water, and our food. We spray chemicals on our food! OUR FOOD! There is not a square inch of this earths water or land that does not contain chemicals. Every mothers breast milk is tainted. You think it's possible to not hate ourselves and do this to our land base?
Any hated felt long enough, no longer feels like hatred. You've all been through the system along with I. You've all had your wills broken by the culture. The hours and hours of sitting in the schools, wanted to be somewhere else, doing something, dying with boredom and losing all of our rebellion and drive. While they do what? Educated YOU? HA. YOU KNOW IT'S MADNESS, YOU CAN SENSE IT AT TIMES. STOP REPRESSING YOURSELVES. How can it hurt? Just play devils advocate for a little bit.

I think the problem with convincing people of the validity of your anarcho-primitivism-inspired ideals is that they appear derived from assumptions. For instance, your eighteenth premise ("Our current sense of self is no more sustainable than our current use of energy or technology") does not appear valid per se, e.g. due to the fact that there are peoples who live with no energy and essentially very primitive technology yet appear to sustain their selves to a comparable extent to that of modern, industrialized man.

Of course, the disadvantages of abandoning the current state of development would be bad in quite a few ways, such as the fact that Earth by itself can not support large part of today's human population, thus large portion of humanity would succumb to starvation, violence emergent from the fight for remaining resources, et cetera.

Also, your analysis does not consider the prospect of sustaining the world utilizing the fruits of additional, technological advances. As can be inferred from my previous paragraph, technology currently allows billions of people to populate this planet. Assuming your (or Kaczynski's / Zerzan's) plans of rebellion fail, nanomanufacturing will likely arrive in 10-20 years from now (based on Kurzweil's analysis), which will thus allow humanity to control the state and composition of our resources to an order of magnitude perhaps thousands of times greater than what we can do today. Thus, the assumption that the problems of the industrialized world are permanent is likely invalid.

I think the problem with convincing people of the validity of your anarcho-primitivism-inspired ideals is that they appear derived from assumptions. For instance, your eighteenth premise ("Our current sense of self is no more sustainable than our current use of energy or technology") does not appear valid per se, e.g. due to the fact that there are peoples who live with no energy and essentially very primitive technology yet appear to sustain their selves to a comparable extent to that of modern, industrialized man.

I believe the premise 18 is referring to our sense of self as a human, or more basic as an animal. Opposed to a civilian.

Of course, the disadvantages of abandoning the current state of development would be bad in quite a few ways, such as the fact that Earth by itself can not support large part of today's human population, thus large portion of humanity would succumb to starvation, violence emergent from the fight for remaining resources, et cetera.

Of course. Premise 7. 9.

Also, your analysis does not consider the prospect of sustaining the world utilizing the fruits of additional, technological advances. As can be inferred from my previous paragraph, technology currently allows billions of people to populate this planet. Assuming your (or Kaczynski's / Zerzan's) plans of rebellion fail, nanomanufacturing will likely arrive in 10-20 years from now (based on Kurzweil's analysis), which will thus allow humanity to control the state and composition of our resources to an order of magnitude perhaps thousands of times greater than what we can do today. Thus, the assumption that the problems of the industrialized world are permanent is likely invalid.

Resources are but a fragment of the problems civilization causes, not to mention industrial civilization. Premise 4, 5, 12, 13, 14, 16, 19, 20