Would we be better off, if...?

Look at Vietnam. We left and they're doing relatively great. We can't hope to bring Iraq back together. That's something only -they- can do, and by the looks of it, the iraqi people in general do not care enough to step up and do something great. We just need to leave because they do not have the heart to make a stable democracy. Being murdered and ruled is what they seem to favor.

Like I said, I'd rather we left but poured a bit of money into it.

Yea. Oh yea, and about information being right ...ask SYG and others who have been there. I did on the Dragoon forums and he said "they hate to love us and love to hate us" or something like that. It seems to be a minority that appreciate what we're doing. Let them settle this shit themselves ...we can't win their heart. That's already been proven.

Well, when the news is coming from a variety of sources and they all pretty much agree on the facts I feel fairly safe with that.

I've never really trusted the media being completely seperate from the government, as you'd not find a better tool to manipulate public opinion. Perhaps I'm a little more paranoid than others, but I certainly don't take our government at face value.

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Yea. Oh yea, and about information being right ...ask SYG and others who have been there. I did on the Dragoon forums and he said "they hate to love us and love to hate us" or something like that. It seems to be a minority that appreciate what we're doing. Let them settle this shit themselves ...we can't win their heart. That's already been proven.

Yeah, I hear that. I'm not saying that I don't believe what's going on over there, but I don't think we're being told everything that we need to know.

I've never really trusted the media being completely seperate from the government, as you'd not find a better tool to manipulate public opinion. Perhaps I'm a little more paranoid than others, but I certainly don't take our government at face value. Edit: Yeah, I hear that. I'm not saying that I don't believe what's going on over there, but I don't think we're being told everything that we need to know.

I really hate that we've created a new haven for terrorists, but it's past the point of no return. The only way we'd be able to finish this any time soon is if the iraqi people get off their asses as a majority and turn in these extremists. However, if you were and Iraqi would you? Between Blackwater and stray bombs, I'm sure there's a certain amount of animocity towards the Americans. Besides that there's an extremist element lurking in every city ready to strike down American supporters whenever possible to hurt anyone who would help us.

How do we solve this? I can't say I personally believe there's a way to solve this currently. This is something only the Iraqis can do unless we're to send millions of americans over and occupy there for many years. Can we do that? No. Our dollar grows weaker every year and our country grows weaker relative to the world as a whole. We need devote more of our resources domesticly so we can compete economically with the new powers in the future. Our dominance is in mortal peril.

I wouldn't say MORTAL peril, but we certainly are slipping. I'm sure our general attitude the past few decades isn't going to be of much help if someone like China decides they've had enough of us.

Iraq isn't very cut-and-dry, as we could be called negligent if we went in, overthrew the government, then said "oops lol", but I don't think our going in and making it into a fascimile of America would be a very good option either. I'd rather we kept things stable enough for a few to get their government going and then wish them luck.

I wouldn't say MORTAL peril, but we certainly are slipping. I'm sure our general attitude the past few decades isn't going to be of much help if someone like China decides they've had enough of us. Iraq isn't very cut-and-dry, as we could be called negligent if we went in, overthrew the government, then said "oops lol", but I don't think our going in and making it into a fascimile of America would be a very good option either. I'd rather we kept things stable enough for a few to get their government going and then wish them luck.

Our currency is going down the shitter quick, fast, and in a hurry. A lot of our jobs are based in handling other peoples' money. I'm no expert but I'd think if our own currency goes in the shitter then that may have some repercussions there.

Our currency is going down the shitter quick, fast, and in a hurry. A lot of our jobs are based in handling other peoples' money. I'm no expert but I'd think if our own currency goes in the shitter then that may have some repercussions there.

Me either, but when I hear Mortal Peril, I hear that everyone involved would be aware and freaking out about it. I suppose that would be a bit unrealistic of me to expect that kind of attitude from most people in the country.

We would be better off without a President.

I'm down with every state governing itself.

We tried that already. It only lasted about 15 years.

We tried that already. It only lasted about 15 years.

QFT

There are so many problems with confederacies, there's a reason why you don't see them anymore.

Ahaha. No but really, Most states really do run themselves now-a-days, the State just have to basically ask for permission for almost everything through the big chiefs in Congress.

Federal Law is superior to State Law. States only run themselves within the boundaries that Federal Law allows.

Ahaha. No but really, Most states really do run themselves now-a-days, the State just have to basically ask for permission for almost everything through the big chiefs in Congress.

They've always run themselves, under the supervision of the Federal Government. Could you imagine if half of the US decided that they didn't really want to get involved in WW2 because they didn't feel justified or simply didn't want to get their boys killed?

A Confederacy has a very loose and powerless central government, largely a glorified Polling House for seperate sovereign nations, which is what the states would be.

I'm not down with that at all.

Maybe? Who catres..