Jehovah's Witnesses

Most scholars agree that Jesus wasn't born on Dec 25th =P. It's a bastardization of a pagan festival if I remember right.

Most scholars agree that Jesus wasn't born on Dec 25th =P. It's a bastardization of a pagan festival if I remember right.

Yes, that is correct.

I thought it was about a man who defied the dutch berghers but okay pagan it is!

FYI I never even stood or looked at the flag when they did the pledge.

Reasons.

A: I will not resort to nationalism no matter what word they dress it up with.
B: I will not pledge my loyalty to anyone who does not in turn pledge theirs to me. Make a pledge to me and recite it every time I recite yours and you got a deal.
C: It is a complete waste of time. I can see doing it once in your lifetime but everyday is too excessive.
D: I do not believe that even if there were some supreme power out there that it would support only one country, and the most fucked up country at that.
E: I didn't believe a word in that crap was true. Brave, justice, free? I don't think so. Not american qualities. In fact white people have finally started oppressing other white people. Maybe they could add land of the oppressive instead?

Those were my reasons. I wouldn't mind doing the pledge if my conditions were met though...

You need to go serve in the military. I may take things for granted but not nearly as much as you =P.

I did serve in the military. In fact I was even in other countries and have friends who serve in those countries. Israel, Germany, England, China, and Japan.

Not one of them believes in nationalism and those stories about China are like 30 years old. They are hunting down the reamining Redguard as we speak. They even have foresting going on now to get rid of those sandstorms.

Oh yes I forgot to add...even though I served I didn't come back crazy or upset I joined knowing it was a situation called "You or him". Also I am not some wuss that cries about things that is part of my mental disability and the only reason why I got so far with the army. They knew killing people was not hard for me. Too bad I barely got to shoot anyone it was already over by the time I got there almost every time because those blasted snipers almost always kill them first.

ok ok whoa whoa! For a simple thing, lenny, d3v, and anyone who thinks we Jw suck, why are you treating us JW that way? if your mad cause we wake you up in th emorning then tell us not to come in the morning we'll coem in the after noon, and if youdont' like it when we talk to you tell us not to come back! we;ll just skip your house for like 3-5 months or so, and if a JW comes by it'll be by accident apologize and leave!

as for kagom, i'll answer a few things, with info from the original JW website

When did Jehovah's Witnesses have their modern-day start? (1)
How are meetings of Jehovah's Witnesses conducted? (2)
How are expenses cared for? (3)
Who takes the lead in each congregation? (4)
What larger meetings are held each year? (5)
What work is done at their headquarters and branch offices? (6)

1. Jehovah's Witnesses had their modern-day start in the 1870's. At first, they were called Bible Students. But in 1931 they adopted the Scriptural name Jehovah's Witnesses. (Isaiah 43:10) From small beginnings the organization has grown to millions of Witnesses, who are busy preaching in more than 230 lands.

2. Most congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses have meetings three times each week. You are invited to attend any of these. (Hebrews 10:24, 25) The Bible is the basis for what is taught. Meetings are opened and closed with prayer. Heartfelt "spiritual songs" are also sung at most meetings. (Ephesians 5:18, 19) Admission is free, and no collections are taken.—Matthew 10:8.





3. Most congregations hold meetings in a Kingdom Hall. These are usually simple structures built by Witness volunteers. You will not see any images, crucifixes, or things like these at the Kingdom Hall. Expenses are paid for by voluntary donations. For those who wish to make a donation, there is a contribution box.—2 Corinthians 9:7.

4. In each congregation, there are elders, or overseers. They take the lead in teaching in the congregation. (1 Timothy 3:1-7; 5:17) They are assisted by ministerial servants. (1 Timothy 3:8-10, 12, 13) These men are not elevated above the rest of the congregation. (2 Corinthians 1:24) They are not given special titles. (Matthew 23:8-10) They do not dress differently from others. Neither are they paid for their work. The elders willingly look after the spiritual needs of the congregation. They can provide comfort and guidance in times of trouble.—James 5:14-16; 1 Peter 5:2, 3.

5. Jehovah's Witnesses also hold large assemblies or conventions each year. At these times many congregations come together for a special program of Bible instruction. Baptism of new disciples is a regular part of each assembly or convention program.—Matthew 3:13-17; 28:19, 20.

6. The world headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses is in New York. Located there is the Governing Body, a central group of experienced elders who oversee the worldwide congregation. There are also over 100 branch offices around the world. At these locations, volunteers help to print and ship Bible literature.

That's fine and dandy and all, but I want you to address the points I brought up. And the JWs were originally called the "Watchtower and Tract Society" until Rutherford took over and a schism took place.

So quit dancing around and address my points.

If someone wakes me up in the morning and refuses to go away, then it's fine by me. My window overlooks the front door, and my air rifle is propped up against my wardrobe. That'll learn 'em, as some may say.

I couldn't care less about having to answer the door - I'll either tell them to go away, or just not open it. It's more the fact that Jehova's Witnesses attempt to force their beliefs on us that annoys me, and probably everyone else.

If we gived half a rats arse about your beliefs and wanted them as our own, then don't you think we'd already be Jehova's Witnesses?

Most scholars agree that Jesus wasn't born on Dec 25th =P. It's a bastardization of a pagan festival if I remember right.

It most obviously was, the debate is which one. =P

Yule I think is the biggest contender, but there are tons of holidays right around the Winter Solstice.

how many times have i said this, what your asking me is wrong kagom, i cannnot give you my opinion over my religion, my beliefs go against it, it's what the bible says, BAM, if your REAlly that intent on finding out our past, go to the original site and see for your self, telling youi my opinions and arguing over it, is a pathetic waste of time, not to mentiont it's agaisnt my beliefs.

Cop-out. A fucking pussy-ass, yellow-livered cop-out. You can't even defend your own beliefs, so you have to refer to a site. A person who truly cares about their faith will defend it to the best of their abilities and admit when they can't answer a question or a point. I'm done with this. You're proving that they have a control over their members and it's a control that is very much a dirty, dirty thing.

I want you to understand something, kyeruu. I have debated religion with many people across many different stages of my life, from when I was agnostic, from when I was Catholic, to now as I am a deist. Learn something about your own faith and don't let their rules interfere with you trying to defend anything. If anything, it makes you look like a sheep and that you're weak.

One more thing I want to add: what's with this abuse crap I hear about JWs? Can you answer that or are you forbidden to answer that question too?

Referencing: http://silentlambs.org/

ooh that site, huh... well honestly that happened out of my knowledge of reach, but communicating with the JW there in usa, it's well.....

logically, it's a way for someone to use us to get money.
religiosly, it's another of the bibles prophecies being fullfilled, the world will hate us because of Jesus, or in other words, because we do what god wants us to do then we will be hated by the world. capish?

Not capice. The Catholics had a major child sex abuse scandal. They said the same damn thing. Your wacky little cult was caught actually abusing kids and then I read this from you.

Seriously, pull your head from the clouds and look at the big picture. I don't hate Jehovah's Witnesses because they love Jesus. I got a lot of friends who love Jesus. They're great people in my opinion. I just hate how JWs are so cultish and controling. Capice?

how many times have i said this, what your asking me is wrong kagom, i cannnot give you my opinion over my religion, my beliefs go against it, it's what the bible says, BAM, if your REAlly that intent on finding out our past, go to the original site and see for your self, telling youi my opinions and arguing over it, is a pathetic waste of time, not to mentiont it's agaisnt my beliefs.

It's too bad your beliefs aren't to "not believe bullshit", same with other religions. I wish I could live a life of ignorance and be happy with it.

It most obviously was, the debate is which one. =P Yule I think is the biggest contender, but there are tons of holidays right around the Winter Solstice.

I'd think Yule myself also.