The Notorious Clockmaker

Well that's a pretty big mix up. There is no evidence, as far as I know, as to the existance of other universes, so there aren't (as far as we know) any universes moving away from us. Plus, I think the word universes is pretty much all encompasing, so I don't think there could really be anymore, if anything they would just be an extention of ours and our universe would just be bigger.

Latest physics would say otherwise. Main stream physics now through string and I think it's "M" theory say there's infinite universes and that's possibly why gravity's so weak (it leaks to the others). Supposedly the math works out that way and that our matter was created by a collison of universes or something like that.

I'd read somewhere that a black hole from another universe may have introduced the needed matter into this universe, but as others have said, we just don't have the ability to learn much more about things at the moment.

How would a black hole introduce matter? If anything, it would steal it.

I forgot to add the part where it manifested as a White Hole in our universe. Stupid work and distracting me.

I believe in a greater being than us (god) for several reasons.. which I really don't feel like getting blasted by Mj since he makes very good arguments, but what I find very interesting is:

1. How perfect the earth is, how it recycles everything, etc.
2. How perfect an organism is.
3. How complicated even the human eye is
4. How complicated the Human brain is

To me, I just don't see how we could of evolved into that amount of complicated phenomena...

My response will most likely be done this weekend. Sorry to keep this dragging on, I'm just short of time at the moment.

I believe in a greater being than us (god) for several reasons.. which I really don't feel like getting blasted by Mj since he makes very good arguments, but what I find very interesting is: 1. How perfect the earth is, how it recycles everything, etc. 2. How perfect an organism is. 3. How complicated even the human eye is 4. How complicated the Human brain is To me, I just don't see how we could of evolved into that amount of complicated phenomena...

It is pretty hard to get your mind around, that's for sure.

Gahh! I need more time to type up a proper response. I was looking forward to this thread. :-\

I believe in a greater being than us (god) for several reasons.. which I really don't feel like getting blasted by Mj since he makes very good arguments, but what I find very interesting is: 1. How perfect the earth is, how it recycles everything, etc. 2. How perfect an organism is. 3. How complicated even the human eye is 4. How complicated the Human brain is To me, I just don't see how we could of evolved into that amount of complicated phenomena...

1. It isn't all recycled. Ever heard of Alchemy? In order to obtain anything you MUST give something of equal value. The fact that many things give more or less than they obtain shows that everything isn't "recycled" and that much is wasted even among nature.
2. Nothing is perfect because perfect is a label just like evil and good thus the standard is ever changing.
3. The human eye is trash compared to other eyes and it's not really as complicated as people think.
4. The human brain is the same as the human eye. It's not that complicated. Of course the word complicated is like the word perfect. A label we use thats standards are ever changing.

Now for a mind blowing theory. What if this being people beileve in is actually multiple beings? Like a swarm of Gnomes or Lizards that exist on a plane of time so different than our own that they are the tool using race rather than humans, and that they decided to simply fuck around? Or what if it's a terrorist attempt to cause us to kill ourselves so they can come in and take over when we obliterate ourselves? OR maybe it's just a flying invisible hand like in Black and White that messes around with shit and is being controlled by these beings because we are really just one complex video game that they play on a daily basis? Your "supreme being" or "supreme powers" are much to full of holes for everyone to simply accept blindly. Just like other theories.

1. It isn't all recycled. Ever heard of Alchemy? In order to obtain anything you MUST give something of equal value. The fact that many things give more or less than they obtain shows that everything isn't "recycled" and that much is wasted even among nature.

You should check out this idea called "Mass-Energy Equivalence".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-energy_equivalence

Short version: Nothing is wasted or destroyed, it merely changes form.

2. Nothing is perfect because perfect is a label just like evil and good thus the standard is ever changing.

I think he meant how well everything works together in an organism, but you can be obstinately technical.

3. The human eye is trash compared to other eyes and it's not really as complicated as people think.

That's one reason he used it as an example, he's saying that complicated organs and such having evolved like that purely by chance is pretty unbelievable.

4. The human brain is the same as the human eye. It's not that complicated. Of course the word complicated is like the word perfect. A label we use thats standards are ever changing.

I'm sure if you could share your complete and detailed mapping of the human brain, the scientific community would love to see it.

Now for a mind blowing theory. What if this being people beileve in is actually multiple beings? Like a swarm of Gnomes or Lizards that exist on a plane of time so different than our own that they are the tool using race rather than humans, and that they decided to simply fuck around? Or what if it's a terrorist attempt to cause us to kill ourselves so they can come in and take over when we obliterate ourselves? OR maybe it's just a flying invisible hand like in Black and White that messes around with shit and is being controlled by these beings because we are really just one complex video game that they play on a daily basis? Your "supreme being" or "supreme powers" are much to full of holes for everyone to simply accept blindly. Just like other theories.

Most children have already thought of these "theories", and they weren't exactly mind-blowing then.

1. It isn't all recycled. Ever heard of Alchemy? In order to obtain anything you MUST give something of equal value. The fact that many things give more or less than they obtain shows that everything isn't "recycled" and that much is wasted even among nature.

This point blatantly denies physics.

Also, alchemy has been discredited since the middle ages except by the eccentric.

4. Do I need to? Last night a Neurologist did it and many others did it before he did.

Again, not true. The human brain is not well known at all. However I will concede that whether or not it's complicated is subjective. It is probably the most difficult biological structure to understand, though.

Children do not think of things like that

I did.

You should know by now if you're truly in tune with anything as intelligent as you claim it is that nothing is perfect. Try again.

My perfection is a live contradiction of your statement.

You look at things you don't understand and dismiss them as magic that is unexplainable.

What exactly are you talking about?