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Posted 2006-12-03, 02:31 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post "My Objection to Religion"
I e-mailed this to my father, and thought I'd post his reply here:

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Now that I’ve had time to read and understand it, let me first congratulate you on an excellent paper. It clearly and substantially argues against the supremacy of religion in society. I summarize your arguments below:

N1. Absurdity of religious mythology

N2. Absolutism and consequent suppression of critical thinking

N3. Indoctrination of religious dogma since early part of ones life

N4. Creationism and refutation of scientific facts

N5. Rise of fundamentalism and the inability of moderates to counter them

N6. Violence in the name of religion

N7. Greater risk of catastrophic destruction in this age of WMDs

It seems that N1,N2,N3 are the characteristics of religion whereas N4,N5,N6 are the negative effects of those characteristics and N7 is a potential catastrophic effect. And, I think that the effects N4…N7 are the motivation for your paper.

However, if you look into human capabilities and resulting behavior, you’d realize that a vast majority of people have limited ability to think critically and cannot understand nature and its consequences very well. Thus their behavior is driven by their emotions, feeling of what they like or dislike, rather than reason. They think they reason but in most cases it is only rationalization within the contexts of their feelings. In some way, aforesaid characteristics of religion N1,N2,N3 address human limitations and also help result in the following additional positive effects of religion.

P1. Helps deal with events beyond ones control

P2. Gives hope where hopelessness would rule otherwise

P3. Facilitates camaraderie - a social network which is a safety net to people

P4. Helps people channel their emotions

P5. Helps people lead meaningful and satisfying lives

P6. Facilitates order in the society

In my view, if you consider historical negative effects N5,N6 in the context of the positive effects P1…P6, the positive effects would outweigh the negative effects. Therefore, I think that religion improves lives and still has a place in the society today.

So, how can the paper be improved and should it be published thereafter?

A. I think that if published as is, it could infuriate some people, as rejection of their beliefs would be hurtful to most. As you said it, indoctrination from childhood renders them incapable of questioning their beliefs. Since this is a logical paper, most people would not be able to understand it and react to it by their gut feeling. They will see you as a biased atheist rather than as a rational being. So, I think that it would be helpful to include some of the positive characteristics of religion, if you want to publish this article. You want people to think critically when they read this, instead of them reacting to an article that rejects their beliefs outright. You want to appear as an impartial and balanced student. On the contrary, newspapers like to publish controversial articles; if you are balanced they could think that you lack conviction and might choose not to publish it because it is not incendiary enough.

B. Also, I think that the closure, the last paragraph, could be improved. Elaborate on how it is an expression of human emotion (e.g. we are small and fragile in the grand scheme of things). Explain how religion is more harmful today. Also, instead of saying that it does not deserve a place in society, I would say that its role should be diminished and that moderates ought to counter fundamentalists.

C. The title could be improved – perhaps to “Undesired Characteristics and/or Consequences of Religion” or “Arguments Against Supremacy of Religion” ; make it less personal

D. I would also prefer to cite references wherever you have stated a scientific fact.
Had not really thought about publishing it before, but it is an idea.
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Posted 2006-12-03, 04:05 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "I e-mailed this to my father, and..."
Your dad and you have a way with words, don't you?
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Posted 2006-12-03, 04:16 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "I e-mailed this to my father, and..."
You better be the first black president, mjordan2nd. >=|

And you should publish it. Might wanna reword it just a tad and follow what your dad said though.
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Posted 2006-12-03, 06:10 PM in reply to KagomJack's post starting "You better be the first black..."
KagomJack said:
Might wanna reword it just a tad
What/How would you suggest?
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Posted 2006-12-03, 06:16 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "What/How would you suggest?"
maybe he was just bored when he posted?
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Posted 2006-12-03, 06:18 PM in reply to ailis's post starting "maybe he was just bored when he posted?"
ailis said:
maybe he was just bored when he posted?
I'm not sure what that means or who it was directed towards.
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Posted 2006-12-03, 06:20 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "What/How would you suggest?"
Maybe simplify the language a little bit. Try to use more positive words instead of negative words. That's up to you, though. I thought it was fine the way it is, but I just thought I'd just offer up that since a friend of mine told me to suggest it.
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Posted 2006-12-03, 06:23 PM in reply to KagomJack's post starting "Maybe simplify the language a little..."
KagomJack said:
Maybe simplify the language a little bit. Try to use more positive words instead of negative words. That's up to you, though. I thought it was fine the way it is, but I just thought I'd just offer up that since a friend of mine told me to suggest it.
Hmm...

Is the language difficult to follow? If so, could you or your friend suggest where I might simplify it?
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Posted 2006-12-03, 06:28 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Hmm... Is the language difficult to..."
I'll ask him when he's back from his classes.
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Posted 2006-12-03, 07:19 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Hmm... Is the language difficult to..."
Do you never see your dad or something? That sounds like a very weird reply to get from your dad.
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Posted 2006-12-03, 07:52 PM in reply to Grav's post starting "Do you never see your dad or something?..."
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Do you never see your dad or something? That sounds like a very weird reply to get from your dad.
I see him every other week or so. Why do you say that?
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