Evolution shouldn't be taught in schools if creationism isn't allowed

Of course there's been macroevolution!!

So from a single-celled organism that can do sweet F.A then split itself down the middle, to billions upon billions upon billions of different species, classifications of animals, everything, is all microevolution?

You can't observe evolution unless you do an experiment over hundreds of years. It isn't possible. You'll see gene mutations, for sure, but not proper evolution. It occurs over a long time span. If you could observe it happening, then why don't we see certain species changing and adapting to their continuously changing environments? Sure, it wouldn't be Macroevolution, but it would certaintly be Microevolution.

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Just building on Jessifer's point - there is no point pasting pages and pages of pure science from a blatantly creationist site to prove a point. You take the facts and add to them your own words - make them your own argument. Don't try and argue someone elses.

Sure, I'm not the greatest at that, but at least I don't copy and paste directly from sites.

Lenny is intelligent. ~JESUS~ is a pawn.

I think lenny has many good points and so dose ~jesus~. I also think that some of the stuff that they both say as well are worng and dont match up or work, but as I said that they do bring across good points. Thats what I think, and I dont fell like typeing alot like every one else right now to get what I think across.

You know what I do fell like typeing more so here I go. Evolution offers no real purpose for life, it results in an absence of meaning, and therefore an absence of moral absolutes. This is clearly in conflict with the Bible. Evolution results in a philosophy of nihilism (the denial of any basis for truth), which ultimately ends in despair. The Bible claims to have the Truth, which gives ultimate hope. (John 14:6, Colossians 1:27) The Bible not only fits the evidence of scientific investigation, it provides an answer for why the world was created. Evolution does neither.

It doesn't matter if what is observable by humans does not match up with fiction writen by humans.

It doesn't matter if what is observable by humans does not match up with fiction writen by humans.

Right.... and the bible has stood the test of time. Do some research, they found Noahs ark exactly where they said it would be. They found the remains of Sodom and Gommorah and the Tower of Bable and thousands of sites, remains of ancient cities and tombs just where the bible stated they would be. They even found the egyption chariots at the bottom of the red sea! Every person place and thing is varified to be accurate so far...the Bible says his word would survive the test of time.

Check out the book of Job. It is the Oldest book in the bible. God ask Job over 50 questions, many that explain things science has just verified in the last 50 years! things about the wind, sun, electricity, and nature of animals.

Back in those days, prophets of God were few and far between. If one thing you said was found false the penalty was death.

The Bible is the inspired word of God. 66 books written over 3,500 years by 44 authors. 100% accurate. no other book makes such claimes. Except the Koran which is a cruel hoax coppied from the biblw (poorley I might add, and not accurate) allmost 2,000 years after the first books of the bible were written and 600 years after Christ, by a pedephile that has continuiously changed. In fact, there are nearly 30,000 verified original manuscripts which we get our bible from. No other great ancient works that exist today from the past can even come close to making that claim. Homer, socretes..or any others. our entire society is based on the laws and rules of the bible for a reason!

Lets say hypothetically, there IS a creator and he made us in his image like the bible says, and we are observably complex and advanced in ways of knowledge compared to other life forms we see and observe. Lets just say he wants to get a message to his children. How would he do it so it would be the most benifical to that objective? Lets just say that, as the case may be, this message is VERY COMPLEX and is a needed set of guidlines for his children to live and function. The message would need to be sent over a period of time, piece by piece to overcome hostile jamming.

If this is for debates sake true, well then how amazingly fortunate are we to have this available in this day and age!

Do some research

Stop fucking saying that! You don't yourself. The majority of your posts have been copied and pasted from some Christian site.

Except the Koran which is a cruel hoax coppied from the biblw (poorley I might add, and not accurate) allmost 2,000 years after the first books of the bible were written and 600 years after Christ, by a pedephile that has continuiously changed.

Smoothly put.

If you want to go on about the age of religions, then I'm sorry to say that Christianity has absolutely nothing on Hinduism.

One is 2,000 years old, the other can be traced back around 1.7million years.

http://www.gitamrta.org/religion.htm
http://www.gitamrta.org/bridge.htm

Oh look, I can prove that legends are true. I must be a Holy Book!

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found Noahs ark exactly where they said it would be.

Sure, "Do some research".

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a001.html

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Ooooh! You got something right. Sodom and Gomorrah HAVE been discovered. But was it The Lord who burnt them?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a007.html

Nah.

I have also proved that I can link to Christian sites. Do I get a medal?

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The Bible doesn't only contradict itself in various cases, but half the supposed acts that happen cannot possibly happen.

Let's take Noah's ark, for example.

First things first - the guy was 600 y/o! Maybe the air was that little bit less polluted back then, but the human body cannot live for 600 years.

So, he took a pair, or seven, of every species on the planet onto a giant ark when it rained for 40 days and 40 nights and flooded 'the entire world'.

Second point - there is not enough water on the world flood it, nor for it to rain contiuously for 40 days and 40 nights.

Third - EVERY species? Superman wasn't involved here, was he?

That'd have to be a massive construction, just for the animals, but then we come on to the other points:

1. The animals must eat
2. What about all the waste

Where did all the food for the animals come from? Or did they not eat for weeks?

And then there's the animal waste problem. Billions of animals, on one tiny ark, all crapping. Noah would need an army to deal with that waste, he, his 3 sons and their wives could not deal with it alone. So with all that waste, there'd be a lot of disease, which would lead to a lot of death.

So, let's say be some heavenly miracle, he did manage to make it to Mount Ararat. And the waters subside, all this magical water disappearing back to where it came from, and the animals all come off the ark. In the middle of Turkey. On a bloody great mountain.

- How do they get off the mountain?
- How do they make it back to their home countries - float on debris?
- And if they do make the exodus home, why is there not a line of offspring following them?
- Surely after this flood, ALL animals would originate in Turkey, so the records must show a lot of animal speices in Turkey at this day, or at least a lot of bones from animals who did live there.

The stories are flawed. Sure, there's a few good morals, and some things are a great laugh, but they are NOT Historical.

The Bible is a metaphor. One is supposed to read it and learn the lessons, not believe every word.

Of course there's been macroevolution!! So from a single-celled organism that can do sweet F.A then split itself down the middle, to billions upon billions upon billions of different species, classifications of animals, everything, is all microevolution?

No...its MACro

and it cant happen. They were made as there own kind in the beggining, which is why there are NO intermediate transitional forms and why "lower" complexity kinds are found mixed in with higher complexity kinds in the different layers of the earth.

The "geological column" does not exist anywhere but in your textbooks and imagination.

You can't observe evolution unless you do an experiment over hundreds of years. It isn't possible.

I agree...which is why its not SCIENCE. In fact it breaks the entire scientific method. You know, OBSERVABLE AND PROVABLE facts based on theories.

It is a religion based on ignorance and faith with ever changing definitions based on convenience that worships time.

You'll see gene mutations, for sure, but not proper evolution. It occurs over a long time span.

Again, this is not changing one kind to a completely different based on WHATEVER factor you want to throw at it. It is micro, or a reshuffling of information in gene structure for survival.

A new species changing from one to another has never been observed. Jeez, what a great time to be alive, everything we observe just so happens to have fully functional non-transitional members! Why stop now!

If you could observe it happening, then why don't we see certain species changing and adapting to their continuously changing environments? Sure, it wouldn't be Macroevolution, but it would certaintly be Microevolution.

First of all, what environment is continuously changing? Secondly, if it did (for debate sake), it would never over a trillion years turn into a completely different kind! The information in the DNA would not allow it! Information runs the show! Darwin said that future would prove his theory correct when new discoveries of transitional forms were found. THEY HAVENT BEEN FOUND!

Open your eyes people. Do some research.

Science is facts that can be proven and observed. If you dont have an answer, then dont teach it as fact! Thats all I am saying.

If you want to teach biology then teach biology, but dont go into orgins when you don't know for a fact what the orgin is and then call it "science"! ..and if you are going to pick theories to teach, well then pick them all, not just one that is actually proven wrong.

Lets look at what the people have to say....

Tuesday, Jun. 6, 2006 Posted: 9:26:33AM EST

WASHINGTON — Almost half of Americans believe that human beings did not evolve, but were created by God in their present form within the last 10,000 years or so, results from a new Gallup Poll revealed.

In a May 8-11 survey of American beliefs on evolution, 46 percent of respondents agreed with the statement: God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so.

In comparison, only 13 percent chose the answer: “Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God had no part in this process."

Welcome to Zonalon 2.0.

Now that I have some time to type. You say

It is a religion based on ignorance and faith with ever changing definitions based on convenience that worships time.

OMG YOU JUST DEFINED EVERY RELIGION IN EXISTANCE! EXCEPT FOR THE SCIENTIFIC EVOLUTIONARY THEROY! Good job on contridicting yourself.
Christianity is based souly off of a book. A single book and it's believers. Keyword believers. You see this religion like most has no facts, no tangible evidence, no form or shape, it has multiple definitions depending on what church you go to or whom you talk to. It lives on because you BELIEVE in it. Just like the toddlers that my girlfriend teaches at her work BELIEVE in a Santa Claus my friend. You see how utterly absured that sounds? A god!? A GOD!? A SUPREME OMNICIENT BEING! Your kidding yourself. It's stupid. It's following. Your not any smarter than all of Charlie Mansons followers. Hey guess what, they BELIEVED he was a Jesus incarnate. Hear that, so that must mean its http://supportthetruth.com right? Charlie Manson = Jesus = Santa Claus = Lochness Monster.
Go fuck yourself.
Tuesday, Jun. 6, 2006 Posted: 9:26:33AM EST

WASHINGTON — Almost half of Americans believe that human beings did not evolve, but were created by God in their present form within the last 10,000 years or so, results from a new Gallup Poll revealed.

In a May 8-11 survey of American beliefs on evolution, 46 percent of respondents agreed with the statement: God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so.

In comparison, only 13 percent chose the answer: “Human beings have developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life, but God had no part in this process."

Yea and over half of Americans read fucking People magazine and actually care what the fuck Angelina Jolies baby looks like. Americans for the most part. Hell HUMANS for the most part are run by a herd instinct you fool. You tell them "Hey, if you don't eat carbs, you'll look sexy and people will like you." So for a half a year they ALL stop eating carbs.

There is NO reasoning with you people. You simply close off your minds to everything other than your dimwitted FAITH! Dear god, your complaining that evolution has no FACTS! Which it does. YOU HAVE NOOO FACTS! NONE! Look at fucking scientology. It has just as much substancial evidence as your christianity does!

Oh and Derek.

Evolution offers no real purpose for life, it results in an absence of meaning, and therefore an absence of moral absolutes.

Sorry buddy, but this is simply out of line. We are animals, we have no purpose other than survival and procreation. Do dogs have a purpose other than survival? Do they have morals? Do chickens have morals? No, therefore they are meaningless?

[QUOTE=Kaneda]Sorry buddy, but this is simply out of line. We are animals, we have no purpose other than survival and procreation. Do dogs have a purpose other than survival? Do they have morals? Do chickens have morals? No, therefore they are meaningless?[QUOTE]

LOL I was just fucking around I just wanted to see what people would say. I just made up all that bull, and I really dont care about all this