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Posted 2004-12-05, 08:04 AM in reply to sheerx's post starting "If things continue at the current pace..."
Dude it is a problem NOW Mjordan. It is a growing issue but it is a major issue NOW. You have no idea how many losers at my school who want to be programmers just like you. So if you look at it selfishly yeah its a bad thing. But I would prefer someone trying to maintain a job and as most people do after their 30 to look at is selfisly. Because people have a little thing called a family with kids. ANd you say yeah looking at it selfishly. In my mind I think your implying their is a good arguement to this case. As someone america would bennifect if you wouldnt be so selfish.
YOU are america. You buy the goods that keep our economy running. Your the man attending baseball games and watching tv. Alll that costs money that YOU make to give to other people that have jobs that do the exact same thing.
And sheerx says the main probably is our economy in general. ANd the biggest problem to our economy in general is outsourcing, and the loss of jobs and the larger ammount of people of welfare and the backlash of that the lowering ammount that an umemployment check would have.
THe president may be wasting his billions in iraq and wasting billions America doesnt even have. But if our economy was bustling as he makes it out to be that would be a problem but it wouldnt be a catastrophe hes making it to be. More people would have jobs, more people would be paying taxes, and less taxes would be going to welfare
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Posted 2004-12-05, 09:33 AM in reply to hobbesDude's post starting "Dude it is a problem NOW Mjordan. It is..."
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Dude it is a problem NOW Mjordan. It is a growing issue but it is a major issue NOW. You have no idea how many losers at my school who want to be programmers just like you. So if you look at it selfishly yeah its a bad thing. But I would prefer someone trying to maintain a job and as most people do after their 30 to look at is selfisly. Because people have a little thing called a family with kids. ANd you say yeah looking at it selfishly. In my mind I think your implying their is a good arguement to this case. As someone america would bennifect if you wouldnt be so selfish.
YOU are america. You buy the goods that keep our economy running. Your the man attending baseball games and watching tv. Alll that costs money that YOU make to give to other people that have jobs that do the exact same thing.
And sheerx says the main probably is our economy in general. ANd the biggest problem to our economy in general is outsourcing, and the loss of jobs and the larger ammount of people of welfare and the backlash of that the lowering ammount that an umemployment check would have.
THe president may be wasting his billions in iraq and wasting billions America doesnt even have. But if our economy was bustling as he makes it out to be that would be a problem but it wouldnt be a catastrophe hes making it to be. More people would have jobs, more people would be paying taxes, and less taxes would be going to welfare
Okay, you're obviously not getting the idea. Lets backtrack a little bit. This country is built on two things: democracy and capitalism, democracy (loosely speaking) being the idea behind our government, and capitalism being the idea behind out economy. Having a democracy normally means that everyone's voice is heard because everyone participates in our government. In our case it's a little different. Everyone's voice still can be heard. It is not a democracy in the strictest form, but if you're a citizen of the United States, your voice can be heard, as evinced by our many great leaders. All you have to do is put a little effort into it. Now, having capitalism means having a free-flowing economy, with little to no government interference. Obviously the government has meddled in our economy some, but for the most part, we're a capitalist society. As I've observed, Americans hold capitalism in quite high esteem vis-a-vis socialism, or communism.

Now, what you're talking about is further interference with that capitalism. Even if your concerns are correct, and America's economy is going down, such government intrustion into the economy could be calamitous. If the government is allowed such uncontrolled power, there's nothing to say it won't abuse that power, as even our government has many times throughout its history. That could quite possibly give the government the power to mold the economy as it sees fit, ergo making it socialist. Now, America was built on ideas. When you take away one of the two basic ideas that America was built on, it ceases to be America. It's just a shell of a country after that. Are you willing to give up America because outsourcing is such a big problem? No! We will stand by what we believe in, democracy and capitalism, and we will either flourish under them, or fall under them. We are a tenacious people. We will not succumb to anything!

Plus, what you're saying isn't even true. Look at our economy. It's not in shambles. In fact, it's slowly increasing. Look at our people. They're not in shambles. We are amongst the most flourishing nation in the world, with no signs of that changing in the near future. Then, how can you say that soutsourcing is a huge problem? I agree it has put a few people out of work, but this is America. If you look hard enough for a job, you will find it. I reiterate, there are no signs that outsourcing is a big problem in America other than the biased newspapers that you read, who's reporters are selfish, and would like to help no other country by the greatness of America. Some of that news is meant to entertain more than to bring you news.

And another thing, in the future, outsourcing will go down. That's usually a trend in the economy. Once enough Indians start getting enough programming jobs, they will demand a higher and higher salary for what they are doing, where eventually it won't be more beneficial to work overseas, but instead, come right back home. You show me some hard evidence that the marketplace has declined due to outsourcing, and I'll consider it as a problem. Otherwise, outsourcing just is. It's not terrible, it's not great, it's just there.
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Posted 2004-12-13, 06:59 PM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Okay, you're obviously not getting the..."
Alot of American Technical jobs are sent out. A while ago I called for some error that kept occuring with AOL, I called their little 1-800 # and this Middle-Eastern sounding man named "charles" answered the phone. I couldn't even talk with this guy, his accent or whatever was shitty as hell, I called back about 5 minutes afterwards and a Middle-eastern sounding woman answered named "Linda". I'm guessing they're paying these immigrants 2.50 an hour for an 8.00 an hour job, but what can you do?














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Posted 2004-12-16, 07:39 AM in reply to D3V's post starting "Alot of American Technical jobs are..."
well, what if you were the big business owner, i guarntee u would do the exact same thing, im not saying im agreeing with it im jus saying if u were them, u would do it, i know i would if it would save me millions of dollars
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Posted 2004-12-21, 07:29 PM in reply to i_screwed_ur_ma's post starting "well, what if you were the big business..."
if GUARENTEE that if i were put in that postition id call it a day leave with my hundreds or maybe even millions of dollars and watch my company go bankrupt rather than seeing thousands of families lose their financial support

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Posted 2004-12-21, 08:24 PM in reply to hobbesDude's post starting "if GUARENTEE that if i were put in..."
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if GUARENTEE that if i were put in that postition id call it a day leave with my hundreds or maybe even millions of dollars and watch my company go bankrupt rather than seeing thousands of families lose their financial support
Yea, except the companies aren't losing money, they're gaining money, and are, in fact, making jobs for thousands of people overseas.

Oh, and try to write in a more legible manner next time. I had to guess at what the hell you were trying to say.
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Posted 2004-12-22, 06:26 AM in reply to Demosthenes's post starting "Yea, except the companies aren't losing..."
They're making jobs in other countries but here in the U.S., we're losing jobs. How does that benefit us?
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