On Suicidal Thoughts

Yeah, I see what you're all saying. I know that suicide hurts other people if you do it and all that shit. *shrugs* They're just thoughts, they usually fade away over a couple of minutes or less, so I just sort of ignore them.

On the topic of cutting wrists. There's really two kind of people who does this. There's the attention seekers who just try to act "goth" and say that their life sucks and everyone hates them, blah blah blah. They're the fuckasses who wanna be something they're not. Then you have your people who truly have depression. Depression is a disorder, and so technically, cutting themselves may be a symptom. They have no control over their depression, unless they take meds, which has now been found out that the meds may cause suicidal thoughts.

I've been through the whole cutting wrist thing, life sucked over the summer. I'm over it now. From my view, though, people who are truly feeling like shit don't cut themselves to get attention. I know a lot of people who've done it, and still do it, even though we've got them help. All of them did it without anyone knowing, as a personal way of releasing stress, or some other reason. I went through it, and I'm pretty sure the only person I told was Insolence, and he called me a dumbass. XD He was right, but it did help release stress. *shrugs*

I guess I'm just saying there's two types of people that cut. There's the poseur fucks who do it to get attention, and there's people who do it out of pure personal matters, and don't advertise it. Just a thought~

Well, what I don't understand is why would you cut your wrists? If you're honestly depressed, what are you getting out of slicing your wrists? If it's suicide you're looking for, then their are much easier ways, not to mention a lot less physically painful.

As for the truly depressed people, I feel sorry for them. I really do. They're missing out. But they need to find a better way of dealing with the depression, wouldn't you think? Lets say that we want to think of depression as a disease. When you have something like Strep Throat, you don't run off and slit your wrists. I don't see how depression is any different. It's not like if you're depressed your wrists simply open up by themself, you make a conscious choice to cut them. Of course I wouldn't know too much in depth about it, because I've never really been like that.

Another thing is, I don't see depression in most people as a disorder. I just see it as them feeling sorry for themselves, which is quite natural, and escusable, but I don't think it's a medical condition in most cases.

I would honestly like to know how slicing your wrists makes you less stressed. If anything, I would think it would make you more stressed. Your hand would be in pain, and you'd have to clean the blood stains off. Also, if you're really doing this just to relieve stress, wouldn't you be scared of the slight possibility that you actually slit the artery and end up bleeding to death? I really don't understand. Perhaps you can fill me in.

I'm really not sure how it did. It just calmed me down a lot when I did it and sort've made me feel like I had a purpose, with all the blood and stuff. *shrugs* I don't really see how depression is a disorder, either. But I'm told it is, and I suffered from it, supposedly. I feel fine, now. I did hit the artery (sp?) once or twice on accident, I know it sounds dumb. Sometimes I'd get so hysterical and uncontrollable I would take the closest thing that was sharp enough to draw blood and do it. It was really saddening, now that I think about it.

I was really bad for awhile, but I didn't go around showing people or talking about it. It was a private matter that no one really needed to know about. I think I told Insolence at my lowest point when I really did feel like I should've killed myself. I'm glad I didn't. I think for awhile I was just delerious and a stupid kid~

That's my input, anyway. If you don't understand, just ask, I s'pose.

About the pain, I didn't really feel it. I don't know why, but I guess the adrenaline rush it gave me felt good, so I didn't feel the part that's supposed to hurt. *shrugs*

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

Mj...you are very young, and are very innocent still. The world isn't...lets say a perfect place with perfect mental people. IM sure some people on here have been abused as a child...raped, molested. Making them isolated from people. People who cut themselves(yes some do it for attention), but the really fucked up people with their past lives, their brain isn't lets say "normal", they think differently, they WANT to hurt themselves. They feel comfort in pain, which is what been happening to them when they were still a child. They feel that they are in control. Some people don’t even want to live. Some people get over their past life as a lesson, but then break down from real life’s problems, problems they cant handle because they were isolated for such a long time. Their mind isn't with people that are normal. Its very hard to explain, but you will soon find out.

Well, I'm pretty sure I can assure you that I will never slice my wrists. If I wanted to commit suicide, I'd make sure it was quick, and as painless as possible. A bullet to the head would do that trick.

And you're right. I don't at all understand why someone would choose to cut themselves, especially on the wrists. If you're a masochist, or you simply don't like not hurting yourself, there are plenty of less life-threatening ways to do it. I understand that not all people have had a perfect childhood, but that to me just seems like another excuse. I know a couple of people who have been raped, one of the kids who got raped as a child, and she doesn't go off and cut her wrists. If it's pain you're looking for then why not something a little less threatening?

It matters not whether you win or lose; what matters is whether I win or lose.

To openly tell people you've been raped and shit, is a sign for "attention". Sympathy... Real people..real problems, dont talk about what they do. Dont tell anyone they cut, dont tell anyone they wanna kill themselves. People who dont do that dont need help, they need to stop wanting attention and to grow up. But the quite ones, that just sit there all day depressed ndd just wants to die, thats someone who needs help. And its sad, but there are people who are really fucked up, and need help, before they do..do something to hurt themselves--to forever change their life. Either death or ODing, mentally disabled, etc.

Agreed for the most part.

One part I don't agree about, though, is where you said that people who've been raped don't tell anyone unless they're looking for attention. That's not true, and if it is, it's certainly not good. In fact, I've felt suicidal before, and I've talked about it with a friend, and it certainly was not for attention. I just needed someone to talk to.

Now the girl who told me she was raped said she had never told anyone before. Eventually I got her to tell her dad, and that has to be a good thing, right? There are people who're suicidal or who've been raped/abused that don't keep shut, and that's not a bad thing. You can usually tell when someone is being sincere or when someone just wants attention.

The people who mope around all day, quiet, lonely, by themselves in a dark corner of their room who constantly want to die need more help than the others. They need to open up about it. It's best if you have someone to talk to, I would think, family, friends, whoever. That's why I say they need more help. Once they can open up to some people, it probably alleviates some of the pressures they have.

Shinto is refering to Jess, who said she was raped. Of course, if she shares something with anyone it's for attention.