Question: How did the universe begin?

I'd have to go on a religious note. Put it this way. God has always existed, nobody created him/her. But it's always been there. Now God has the power to create, and give. God's powers must have created the universe. Not too sure how it works.

This could just be a Matrix type thing, we're just one big ass test tube, and somebody is having us for their science project.

This could just be a Matrix type thing, we're just one big ass test tube, and somebody is having us for their science project.

I've thought about that. We'll never really know. I believe in God. He's always been there. Nothings going to change my mind about that. All the stories about him have been proved in a way. Through the bible, and there was older history that the same exact events that were in the bible, were recorded in a journal/book. I believe in God 110%. Whenever I pray, it always comes true.


ALWAYS.

Bottom line is:















GOD IS REAL, EVEN IF U CANT SEE HIM

God is the Alpha and Omega; beginning and end. He has always been there. Created the world in 6 24 hour days, and rested on the 7th day. He saw that everything was good. The world has only been around for roughly 8,000 to 10,000 years. Just look at the world around you. How could a spontaneous combustion from a tiny dot form all of this coincidentally like it is? God made the world beautiful. The world used to be one continent, but then God wiped out everyone on the earth with the flood except for Noah and his family on his ark. This happening, the lands were split apart and formed as they are. Yay God!

Yeah, don't tell me this is random bullshit, because it isn't. Don't insult me, I will return the favor.

Dude, it's not bullshit one bit. I like your words.

Wow, I always thought that everybody here was either atheist or christians who dont really believe in god completely. Hand of heaven and tokill.ace and d3v, I have just created a newfound respect toward you. I too believe that god exists and always has, I would be lying if I never was sceptical, but I think that there's no way we'll ever prove how it all started, so all I have is to believe.

I like all of your responses so far. I just have one request. Perhaps expanding on why you believe as you do, if at all possible.

Why not believe? Believing is the only thing I do. I believe in God because..well because hes God. Why not believe in him? I've already "been" to heaven in my dream. I saw him alive, and I believe from there. He's REAL. He's given people life. The only thing you can do is to respect, believe, and pray. Don't do sins. God, just saying that makes me think of soo many things. All the things have to do with believing though. Believe is the only thing that my mind likes. It makes it up. It has fun. It's the only thing that YOU can depend on.



Dunno if that made sense to anybody?

Sort of brought up with it, but in catechism class last year, we studied other religions. Most 'Christian' doctrines teach that God created the world, and I cannot see how a small dot exploded into something as vast as the universe. And how everything fell in so perfectly, it seems like nonsense to say that it all just appeared. Read several sections of the bible, and I believe it. It said in Genesis that the spirit of the Lord (Holy Ghost/Spirit) was hovering over some murky matter, and began to mold and shape it into the earth. With his Word, God created something out of nothing, a feat we still have to overcome. In the beginning was the heavens and the earth. Lucifer corrupted some other angels and fell(was sent) to hell. I would go on, but I don't want to be excessive.

I belive that the universe is expanding exponetally(sp?) to a point were it will start contracting again and start over with another big bang.

God is the Alpha and Omega; beginning and end. He has always been there. Created the world in 6 24 hour days

"Days" in the Biblical sense, weren't 24 hours.

The world has only been around for roughly 8,000 to 10,000 years.

OH MY FUCKING GOD, ARE YOU JOKING?

it is a sad day for you, miss.

HAHAHA hand of heaven, there has been tons of evidence of stuff more than 10,000 years old. The world is about 2.3478456 million years old(just an estimate).

If it was that old, it would turn moldy.

HAHAHA hand of heaven, there has been tons of evidence of stuff more than 10,000 years old. The world is about 2.3478456 million years old(just an estimate).

Actually, it's closer to 6 billion years old.

Actually, it's closer to 6 billion years old.

The actual figure is about 4,550 million years, give or take 70 million. This was put forward by a certain Clair Patterson (male). He gave up using Earth rocks to find out how old the world was, but used meteorites, assuming - correctly as it know turns out - that they were the, if you like, left over bits from the earliest days of the solar system, from the days when it had just been created, and probably, not that long after the creation of the Universe.

How did the Universe begin though?

I'm gonna have to go with the Big Bang theory, and say big and sudden release of energy and matter...etc. You can imagine, no?

As for God, being an atheist I've gotta say that the minds of men started to believe in a supernatural being that created everything. This would, to them, explain some of the mysteries of life, such as, who made all this? As I have said in another post elsewhere, belief creates things. If the/se person/people who believed in the supernatural being persuaded enough people about it, than the idea would quickly spread, like grass fires on dry moors. And then, overenthusiatic people might start to worship their supernatural being, going under the impressions that if someone/thing could create what is around them, then they could also destroy it if something upset them. I'd say the idea of God was created sometime around/after the Stone Age, when people believed anything - take trepanning as an example. Someone has a bad headache, the medicine men think of bad spirits, so cut a hole through the skull to let out bad spirits. Either v. religious - i.e devil etc. - or v. superstitious - spirits says it all.

I've strayed a bit, oh well. So just imagine a sudden explosion of energy and matter, enough to create things, and still make things exand even now.

Also, I would like to comment on the matrix idea - one big test tube - who or what then created the Universe in which the test tube and those who's science experiment are in???

I've thought about that. We'll never really know. I believe in God. He's always been there. Nothings going to change my mind about that. All the stories about him have been proved in a way. Through the bible, and there was older history that the same exact events that were in the bible, were recorded in a journal/book. I believe in God 110%. Whenever I pray, it always comes true. ALWAYS. Bottom line is: GOD IS REAL, EVEN IF U CANT SEE HIM

Your final statement is an opinion. How do you know that there aren't 256 Gods?

Your final statement is an opinion. How do you know that there aren't 256 Gods?

Don't lie. There is only one for each of the Primary Colors. The Seconday Colors are their half-human offspring, and as such, mere Demi-Gods, since they're all female Goddesses.

Like the Fanta girls.

That commercial would be so much better without the horrid background music.

But I digress. Back to the topic at hand.

all things left to themselves unless acted on by an outside force will tend towards chaos.
our universe is orderly, there was a chaos theory but it has basically been disproven. even evolution proves this. for those who dont know, following through with evolution all the way, Darwin concluded the latter part of his life a Christian, sighting the eyeball as an example that with all that is necessary and orderly to have evolution allow this eye to work, to believe there is no God is 'obsurd to the highest degree'

the universe, being orderly, must be acted on by an outside force to maintain this characteristic.
so now you have the equation with our universe and it requires the presence of something outside out universe acting on it.
in the most basic definition, we call this God.
God must have a will, because without logic, order is an impossibility.

the universe, encompassing time must have a beginning to exist. time as a concept exists within our universe, however beyond that, time, coming existing within, does not apply.
this is why God's existance need not have a begginning.

human beings, being within this universe and always having been subject to time are unable to fathom something existing without a beginning, to us (because we are temporal beings) a beginning is a must, a staple of existance, and a truth.

despite being unable to fathome such a concept as existing without a beginning, the fact that if something exists outside the universe and hence not subject to the constraints of time is not only possible, but given that something DOES exist outside the universe, it is also true.

there is no reason why people presenting the question of the universe's beginning must seperate science and religion. the two go hand in hand really. everything science proves supports the religious belief in God. what doesnt support it if you are really seeking the real truth, you will find are half way facts.
these are hypothese, equations, and theorums that are people only take as far as to prove information they have already decided on and need proof of rather than taking it all the way to see what it is telling them, usually a sign of arrogance or fear. people get wrapped up in trying to tell rather than listen.
so anyway, this is what ive found so far.
i dont like opinions much that's why i didnt involve my personal religion, just the facts backing up that there is one. i have my beliefs, you have yours. but ultimately it surprises me very much that there are any atheists left. especially in the scientific community, actually every years there is a drop in atheists, the more we learn about physics and such but there are still some.
im not putting them down, im just wondering why now that we have come far enough that science is working hand in hand more and more with faith, how anyone, provided they are seeking scientific truth, cant see that there is something outside the universe, something powerful enough to create it! and that, existing outside of time, is eternal, the alpha and omega, encompassing both beginning and end, as this Being is master of both, being independant of both, and subject to neither.

all things left to themselves unless acted on by an outside force will tend towards chaos. our universe is orderly, there was a chaos theory but it has basically been disproven. even evolution proves this. for those who dont know, following through with evolution all the way, Darwin concluded the latter part of his life a Christian, sighting the eyeball as an example that with all that is necessary and orderly to have evolution allow this eye to work, to believe there is no God is 'obsurd to the highest degree' the universe, being orderly, must be acted on by an outside force to maintain this characteristic. so now you have the equation with our universe and it requires the presence of something outside out universe acting on it. in the most basic definition, we call this God. God must have a will, because without logic, order is an impossibility. the universe, encompassing time must have a beginning to exist. time as a concept exists within our universe, however beyond that, time, coming existing within, does not apply. this is why God's existance need not have a begginning. human beings, being within this universe and always having been subject to time are unable to fathom something existing without a beginning, to us (because we are temporal beings) a beginning is a must, a staple of existance, and a truth. despite being unable to fathome such a concept as existing without a beginning, the fact that if something exists outside the universe and hence not subject to the constraints of time is not only possible, but given that something DOES exist outside the universe, it is also true. there is no reason why people presenting the question of the universe's beginning must seperate science and religion. the two go hand in hand really. everything science proves supports the religious belief in God. what doesnt support it if you are really seeking the real truth, you will find are half way facts. these are hypothese, equations, and theorums that are people only take as far as to prove information they have already decided on and need proof of rather than taking it all the way to see what it is telling them, usually a sign of arrogance or fear. people get wrapped up in trying to tell rather than listen. so anyway, this is what ive found so far. i dont like opinions much that's why i didnt involve my personal religion, just the facts backing up that there is one. i have my beliefs, you have yours. but ultimately it surprises me very much that there are any atheists left. especially in the scientific community, actually every years there is a drop in atheists, the more we learn about physics and such but there are still some. im not putting them down, im just wondering why now that we have come far enough that science is working hand in hand more and more with faith, how anyone, provided they are seeking scientific truth, cant see that there is something outside the universe, something powerful enough to create it! and that, existing outside of time, is eternal, the alpha and omega, encompassing both beginning and end, as this Being is master of both, being independant of both, and subject to neither.

Wow. Very well written. Being an atheist myself, I'll respond to you more thoroughly tomorrow (friday!!) since I will have more time, but that was a great post. I disagree with you on some aspects, but thanks for providing me that insight into what you believe, and why you believe it.