Do you Believe?

Does He not make His presence known in the world around us? Jesus has certainly made me aware of His presence in my life. But for the simplest argument of whether there is any god, the laws of physics state that order comes out of chaos only when external energy is introduced into a system--in other words, perhaps there was a "big bang", but even so, it was God that caused it and who willed all the order that exists into being.

omg...strider are you really hellmonkey???i mean really...whine whine whine,bitch bitch bitch, evidence evidence evidence...this is why I slowed down my replying to this thread unless it was to someone who really wanted to take the time and know something...stop your bitching and give the Bible a chance...read the last book of the Bible and look at the world today...anyone know how many times i've said that???i've lost count...so...idunno...stop acting like a baby and go do something usefull...

Does He not make His presence known in the world around us? Jesus has certainly made me aware of His presence in my life. But for the simplest argument of whether there is any god, the laws of physics state that order comes out of chaos only when external energy is introduced into a system--in other words, perhaps there was a "big bang", but even so, it was God that caused it and who willed all the order that exists into being.

Wow, Wetwired. I thought you were just a little smarter than the average person. Can you honestly believe that there is a god? There is no resolve for people such as yourself. It will be a constant rebuttal of religious propaganda.

Wetwired is intellegent to realize that there is a god and believe that the world is not revolving around them only.
You critisize others for their belifs, that shows the level of arrogance and stupidity on your part.

If you are going to believe that there is no god, thats fine. But just don't be a fool about it.

Wetwired is intellegent to realize that there is a god and believe that the world is not revolving around them only. You critisize others for their belifs, that shows the level of arrogance and stupidity on your part. If you are going to believe that there is no god, thats fine. But just don't be a fool about it.

*head re-forms and then explodes again*

You do realize what you're saying right? GOD. An ALL-POWERFUL BEING. What a crock of shit. It's just a scheme plotted by old governments that couldn't control their own public. "Be bad, suffer for eternity."

If you're too afraid, or ignorant, to accept that fact that things happen that we can't explain yet, but will most likely be able to in the future, that's your own problem. Not mine.

I'll make a note of it, somewhere.

It's just a scheme plotted by old governments that couldn't control their own public. "Be bad, suffer for eternity."

i do suppose you have as much proof for that that you do God doesnt exist. You see, its hard to try to make us look stupid by telling us theres no God, when in fact, theres atleast as much proof God exists as there is he doesnt.

I agree with you completely...there is no more proof that god doesn't exist as there is proving that he does. That said though, there is no proof that the MIB do not exist. For me to say that something is real you have to prove it. Let's say, for example, when a child sais that there is a monster under the bed. Would your child be lying to you on purpose?...is there any proof that there isn't an invisible monster under the bed?? But we all know that there isn't any such monster under the bed.

I agree with you completely...there is no more proof that god doesn't exist as there is proving that he does. That said though, there is no proof that the MIB do not exist. For me to say that something is real you have to prove it. Let's say, for example, when a child sais that there is a monster under the bed. Would your child be lying to you on purpose?...is there any proof that there isn't an invisible monster under the bed?? But we all know that there isn't any such monster under the bed.

Uh you do realize that you just proved my own point right?

If you had been paying attention, mjord is one of the non-believers.

Quote seen somewhere

To believe in God or in a guiding force because someone tells you to is the height of stupidity. We are given senses to receive our information within. With our own eyes we see, and with our own skin we feel. With our intelligence, it is intended that we understand. But each person must puzzle it out for himself or herself.

And now I must quote Weird Al... "I'll be laughing my head off when you're burning in hell"

Believe. Don't believe. Who cares. I believe, but what you believe will only affect you in the end. Until then, let us believe what we want, and don't try to "prove you're point". Those who believe have reasons, just as those that don't, I'm sure.

And now I must quote Weird Al... "I'll be laughing my head off when you're burning in hell" Believe. Don't believe. Who cares. I believe, but what you believe will only affect you in the end. Until then, let us believe what we want, and don't try to "prove you're point". Those who believe have reasons, just as those that don't, I'm sure.

*Claps* Bravo

And now I must quote Weird Al... "I'll be laughing my head off when you're burning in hell" Believe. Don't believe. Who cares. I believe, but what you believe will only affect you in the end. Until then, let us believe what we want, and don't try to "prove you're point". Those who believe have reasons, just as those that don't, I'm sure.

Prove my point? My poinit is, it's everyone's own place to decide what they want to believe. YOU now push the believing point of view telling someone "they will burn inn hell" The fact is, You have based your belief on what a group of guys said 2000 + years ago. I guess with that mentality, what's wrong with Mormon beliefs? Or for that matter the beliefs of the Hebrew nation? The fact is for your "not caring" you have judged me, which YOUR god told you not to do. Read the quote over again. Decide for yourself if i was "pushing my view". AND if I really was, do tell me exactly what my view is. YOU can't, not from the quote i placed there. I CAN based on your qutoe. So thanks.. But try again.

Yes, yes, believe in hell. Good. I hope you go to it.

Prove my point? My poinit is, it's everyone's own place to decide what they want to believe. YOU now push the believing point of view telling someone "they will burn inn hell" The fact is, You have based your belief on what a group of guys said 2000 + years ago. I guess with that mentality, what's wrong with Mormon beliefs? Or for that matter the beliefs of the Hebrew nation? The fact is for your "not caring" you have judged me, which YOUR god told you not to do. Read the quote over again. Decide for yourself if i was "pushing my view". AND if I really was, do tell me exactly what my view is. YOU can't, not from the quote i placed there. I CAN based on your qutoe. So thanks.. But try again.

When he said "it will only affect you in the end", i think he was saying that our beliefs now will have any affect on us after life.

The fact is, You have based your belief on what a group of guys said 2000 + years ago. I guess with that mentality, what's wrong with Mormon beliefs? Or for that matter the beliefs of the Hebrew nation?

My biology teacher tells me that the brain is in my head, by your logic, i shouldnt believe that until, oh say, ive cracked my head open and seen it for myself?

You'd think that if there were a God, this all-seeing, all-knowing whatever, he'd speak to everyone and not just to people he knows are just going to end up getting crucified, impaled, or burned... seems like a waste. I don't believe in God and I'm only a Christian when it's "convenient."

You'd think that if there were a God, this all-seeing, all-knowing whatever, he'd speak to everyone and not just to people he knows are just going to end up getting crucified, impaled, or burned... seems like a waste. I don't believe in God and I'm only a Christian when it's "convenient."

Jesus did go around and let everyone he could know of his presence. Those who chose not to believe him condemned themselves.

Also, on the "today" end of the spectrum, I've heard a theory that I like. God doesn't speak to people today as he did back in "Biblical times." At least, we don't think he does. According to theory, this is because today there are so many adamant non-believers, that either God simply chooses not to say anything, or he knows that if he were to do anything short of uh.. say.. blowing up the sun and most of the planets in our SS, people still wouldn't believe it was an act of God. Or, God may be talking to people.

If this were true, it can be easilly explained that none of us know about it. Those who refuse to talk about it are numerous. Either they choose to keep it to themselves as something personal (a good example of this would be this thread. many people bash others for their beliefs) or they might disregard it as a strange occurance or a hallucination. Those who speak out... would, in today's society, generally be considered insane.

It's a sad world we live in today.

It's their lives, they choose what to do with them.

You'd think that if there were a God, this all-seeing, all-knowing whatever, he'd speak to everyone and not just to people he knows are just going to end up getting crucified, impaled, or burned... seems like a waste. I don't believe in God and I'm only a Christian when it's "convenient." Jesus did go around and let everyone he could know of his presence. Those who chose not to believe him condemned themselves. Also, on the "today" end of the spectrum, I've heard a theory that I like. God doesn't speak to people today as he did back in "Biblical times." At least, we don't think he does. According to theory, this is because today there are so many adamant non-believers, that either God simply chooses not to say anything, or he knows that if he were to do anything short of uh.. say.. blowing up the sun and most of the planets in our SS, people still wouldn't believe it was an act of God. Or, God may be talking to people. If this were true, it can be easilly explained that none of us know about it. Those who refuse to talk about it are numerous. Either they choose to keep it to themselves as something personal (a good example of this would be this thread. many people bash others for their beliefs) or they might disregard it as a strange occurance or a hallucination. Those who speak out... would, in today's society, generally be considered insane. It's a sad world we live in today.