Do you Believe?

That is something we will figure out later

He was always there.

so ur saying that we couldn't have just "poofed" and been here and he could? Why could we not have just "poofed" and been here?

No, I'm saying that God never "appeared." He was ALWAYS THERE. He exists outside of time, therefore he had no "beginning."

Nothing can exist outside time, and nothing can exist outside space. To me this topic is faith vs logic. If u think about it that statement that god was always here makes no sense. Because time has no beginning or end, space has no beginning or end...it makes no logical sense that god would live outside the universe. And religion is changing all the time. It was said that heaven was up in the clouds. Now ur making it seem as if god were 2 exist in some completely different world where math and science make no sense because it is impossilble for nething, spiritually or physically, to exist outside of time.

How can you possibly begin to prove that opinion? I can't prove that God exists, but you most certainly cannot prove that he doesn't. You can't even prove that you're actually sitting in front of your computer. For all you know, you're a fish dreaming that you're a dude sitting in front of a computer. Don't even begin to say "it's impossible for anything to exist outside of time" when you aren't even capapble of proving your own existence inside time.

but i am capable of proving my own existence inside time. If i was a fish dreaming this then I wouldn't be able to post on this forum. Time, as described by science, has no beginning and no end, so as if u r going 2 take the litteral deffinition of time it is impossible to have something outside that. And it is a pretty far-fetched idea that I would be a fish dreaming that I am me sitting in front of my computer. U can't say that I do not exist. I can thing, eat, walk, talk, and do other activities. Everything in this world exits for the smallest particles of the atom to the whole universe and time itself.

This is like trying to explain quantum physics to a four year old. If you want me to make it easy for you, I'll use an analogy. It's a fucking stupid analogy, but it serves my purpose.

Have you seen The Matrix? I imagine you have, so follow me here. Just because you can touch the things in front of you, or eat the food in your refigerator that doesn't make those objects real. Everything you experience in everyday life could be nothing more than a dream. Much like The Matrix...(God, I hate using this ridiculous analogy).

The point is this. Just becuase you say you exist, doesn't mean you exist. Just because you believe you are really here, doesn't actually mean you are really here. It could all be in your head. That's where faith comes in. If you don't believe in God because there is no "proof", then technically you can't believe in anything. Including your own existence.

Originally posted by mjordan2nd but i am capable of proving my own existence inside time.

We're all proud that you can "prove" that you exist. This topic here, however, is not about whether we exist or not.

Originally posted by mjordan2nd so as if u r going 2 take the litteral deffinition of time it is impossible to have something outside that.

Originally posted by mjordan2nd Nothing can exist outside time, and nothing can exist outside space.

Dictionary.com defines time, as you refer to it, as:
"A nonspatial continuum in which events occur in apparently irreversible succession from the past through the present to the future."

Have you been outside the time continuum and looked around? Hrm.. probably not. How can you, a simple human with a simple mind, possibly be able to prove, or even know, what can or cannot exist outside of a dimension that simple-minded humans define as all encompasing?

if god was always with you, how could he be with everyone? lol

Cuz he's 1337

Also, if you think of it, since God may be viewed as being outside of time, he doesn't have to follow the laws we set forth for time. He could spend as much "time" with one individual as he wanted and still have enough "time" to be with as many others he wants to in the same --period of time--.

I think it's "time" for me to get some food.

Sorry, Bob. I had to do it.

I used the quotes and dashes to show the different meanings of time I was using.

I know, I know. My "Flame Instincts" (or Fighty Sense, you might call it! Get it? Like "Spidey Sense"? Ugh...nevermind) commanded me to take the opportunity to mock you. I am powerless against the pull of the almighty "inadvertent set-up."

But, to get back on topic. I completely agree with you, Bob. Good form, good form!

Originally posted by Knight-Rider if god was always with you, how could he be with everyone? lol

Becuase he is omnicent.

seems like there is alot of ppl arguing about this

i think Jamesadin wanted thoughts and opinions and who believes and shit
everyone has posted an opinion here no one said God CANT exist only that they dont believe he exists

>Believer<

To deep a subject to elaborate on.....

raziel i dont want u 2 take me the wrong way. I'm not trying to convince ne1 here to being atheist or nething and im not saying ne1 is wrong here...in fact i would like to turn into a believer because i would be able 2 have something 2 fall back on in hard times but it's kind of har 2 believe in the matrix-like thing u had stated earlier or that nething can exist outside time or space. I'm sorry it's just the way i am. If it doesn't make logical sense than i have a hard time believing it. I', not trying 2 say nething against ne1s beliefs so plz dont take me the wrong way.

mjordan2nd? Do you believe that I say there is god, do you want me to prove it?

well if u can prove it plz do.